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Raymond Sat Feb 25, 2012 09:27pm

Unc/uva
 
APG,

Around the 12:30 mark of the 2nd half UVA's star player picked up his 4th foul. Lot of whining going on around locally about the call. I didn't see the game, you think you can pull up the play so I can see what the big deal is?

Thanks as always.

Raymond Sun Feb 26, 2012 01:55pm

Bumping since I see APG is on-line. :)

Welpe Sun Feb 26, 2012 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 827898)
Bumping since I see APG is on-line. :)

I think he needs to start getting paid. :D

APG Sun Feb 26, 2012 04:01pm

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JRutledge Sun Feb 26, 2012 04:20pm

Was that on the shot?

I cannot see by the angle if he got fouled on the arm.

Peace

Camron Rust Sun Feb 26, 2012 04:35pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 827922)
Was that on the shot?

I cannot see by the angle if he got fouled on the arm.

Peace

I can't tell for sure either...but it was certainly a possibility and the trail would have had a much better angle than that video provides.

APG Sun Feb 26, 2012 04:38pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 827922)
Was that on the shot?

I cannot see by the angle if he got fouled on the arm.

Peace

Yes it was on the shot as they subsequently shot free throws...I'm also assuming the foul was for a hit on the arm, but the broadcast did not show any additional angles.

JRutledge Sun Feb 26, 2012 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 827926)
I can't tell for sure either...but it was certainly a possibility and the trial would have had a much better angle than that video provides.

I totally agree and I did not want to suggest it was not a foul. The trail would have had a much better angle, but I guess I was surprised they did not have a different angle shown.

Peace

Raymond Sun Feb 26, 2012 08:29pm

Thanks APG, but I gave you wrong time based on a fanboy blog. It was at the 12:00 minute mark of the 2nd half, so a couple plays later than this one. I just checked the play-by-play myself.

Even though the first one you posted is a good one to look at when the Lead is keeping his eyes low and the Trail comes in to help with contact up top.

JRutledge Sun Feb 26, 2012 08:33pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 828000)
Thanks APG, but gave you wrong time based on a fanboy blog. It was at the 12:00 minute mark of the 2nd half, so a couple plays later than this one. I just checked the play-by-play myself.

OK, now we are going to suspend you from future requests. ;)

Peace

APG Sun Feb 26, 2012 08:35pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 828000)
Thanks APG, but I gave you wrong time based on a fanboy blog. It was at the 12:00 minute mark of the 2nd half, so a couple plays later than this one. I just checked the play-by-play myself.

Even though the first one you posted is a good one to look at when the Lead is keeping his eyes low and the Trail comes in to help with contact up top.

HA...I was actually going to ask you if that's the play you meant because the fans were up in arms about that play.

Raymond Sun Feb 26, 2012 08:35pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 828001)
OK, now we are going to suspend you from future requests. ;)

Peace

That's what I get for listening to a fan's description of a play. :o They can't even get the dang time correct.

The local paper did have an article on the play in question, focused around Roy Williams defending the officials' call, and it put the wrong time also.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/tee...tory?track=rss

Raymond Sun Feb 26, 2012 09:52pm

In my Simple Minds voice: Don't you forget about me. :D

APG Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:14pm

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ballgame99 Mon Feb 27, 2012 09:50am

while they are checking that replay to see if it was an F1, can they call the T for the flop?? ;) It didn't look like the L or C had anything, so this call came from T??

Raymond Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:18am

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 828132)
while they are checking that replay to see if it was an F1, can they call the T for the flop?? ;) It didn't look like the L or C had anything, so this call came from T??

If you are talking about this second play, the Lead called the foul on UVA's Scott. You can see him pointing to the endline to indicate where the spot throw-in will occur. He didn't use the fist mechanic to indicate a foul. And looking at Scott's reaction I don't think he is surprised that a foul was called against him. Hard to tell from the angles provided how solid his contact was with Henson. I do think though that Henson should have been whistled for a foul first for pushing Scott in the back.

Rich Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:24am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 828138)
If you are talking about this second play, the Lead called the foul on UVA's Scott. You can see him pointing to the endline to indicate where the spot throw-in will occur. He didn't use the fist mechanic to indicate a foul.

It's such an ingrained habit to come up with a fist for me on all but obvious PC fouls in my primary that I can't imagine simply blowing a whistle and pointing to the floor like this official did. This is the kind of mechanic we normally see from a rookie official who isn't used to calling fouls.

Raymond Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:28am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 828138)
If you are talking about this second play, the Lead called the foul on UVA's Scott. You can see him pointing to the endline to indicate where the spot throw-in will occur. He didn't use the fist mechanic to indicate a foul. And looking at Scott's reaction I don't think he is surprised that a foul was called against him. Hard to tell from the angles provided how solid his contact was with Henson. I do think though that Henson should have been whistled for a foul first for pushing Scott in the back.

Looks like the C was slow in getting down to the free throw line extended. If he had been there when the shot went up I think he would have caught Henson's push in the back

ballgame99 Mon Feb 27, 2012 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 828140)
It's such an ingrained habit to come up with a fist for me on all but obvious PC fouls in my primary that I can't imagine simply blowing a whistle and pointing to the floor like this official did. This is the kind of mechanic we normally see from a rookie official who isn't used to calling fouls.

That was why I didn't even notice he had made the call. He must have just blown the whistle and stared at them. No wonder the player looked confused. No fist in the air, no signal, just a stare and a point at the endline. I guess it just increases the drama waitng for him to report so we can all know what the call is!!

Raymond Mon Feb 27, 2012 05:02pm

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 828261)
That was why I didn't even notice he had made the call. He must have just blown the whistle and stared at them. No wonder the player looked confused. No fist in the air, no signal, just a stare and a point at the endline. I guess it just increases the drama waitng for him to report so we can all know what the call is!!

If the call were going the other way I'm 100% sure he would have pointed up the court. Poor mechanics on this, yes, but no confusion as to which way the ball was going.

fullor30 Mon Feb 27, 2012 05:07pm

Can't really tell from video what exactly happened but looks like very poor mechanics by lead. Doesn't help his case trying to sell the call by any means.

Rich Mon Feb 27, 2012 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 828261)
That was why I didn't even notice he had made the call. He must have just blown the whistle and stared at them. No wonder the player looked confused. No fist in the air, no signal, just a stare and a point at the endline. I guess it just increases the drama waitng for him to report so we can all know what the call is!!

I knew what the call was -- the point to the floor told me we were "staying there." It just doesn't sell the call well.

Sharpshooternes Mon Feb 27, 2012 06:36pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 828275)
I knew what the call was -- the point to the floor told me we were "staying there." It just doesn't sell the call well.

Doesn't the ball get thrown in at the same spot no matter which team will be inbounding it?

APG Mon Feb 27, 2012 06:38pm

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 828303)
Doesn't the ball get thrown in at the same spot no matter which team will be inbounding it?

Sure, but if the ball was going the other way, you would have most likely seen the official point going the other way, rather than point to the floor.

Sharpshooternes Mon Feb 27, 2012 06:45pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 828304)
Sure, but if the ball was going the other way, you would have most likely seen the official point going the other way, rather than point to the floor.

Sure, that's why I agree with everyone else on the poor mechanics.


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