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BillyMac Mon Feb 27, 2012 01:55pm

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 828200)
Very close indeed. I'll give you a hint. All other infractions/fouls are ignored unless it is deemed to be a flagrant or intentional foul.

What do I win?

Sharpshooternes Mon Feb 27, 2012 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 828211)
What do I win?

One free all expenses paid trip to your very own pantry or refrigerator for a snack of your choice. And your wife can't tell you no. Eat whatever you want.

constable Mon Feb 27, 2012 04:04pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 827633)
...But didn't call it as such.

A1 deeks a guy near the hoopthen spinsorama. Mid-spinorama A1 gets bumped by B1. Tweet. The bump sends A1 in a direction he'd never go. While in that direction, B2 comes from behind and bumps A1 with more force than B1 used.

Both fouls were in the continuation phase.

It went through my mind, "oh look - a multiple foul" but I stuck with just the one.


As you should have since the second one was neither intentional nor flagrant.

APG Mon Feb 27, 2012 04:07pm

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 828241)
As you should have since the second one was neither intentional nor flagrant.

JR said the player was in the act of shooting...thus the ball wasn't dead on the first opponent's contact.

Adam Mon Feb 27, 2012 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 828211)
What do I win?

Nothing, the question wasn't for you.

La Rikardo Mon Feb 27, 2012 05:57pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 828115)
This is not a multiple. Can you tell us why?

Reviewing foul definitions... Sure seems to be a multiple foul. Two teammates committed personal fouls against the same opponent at approximately the same time. Maybe I didn't make it clear that the common foul which came first wasn't called. The intentional foul came after, but they were close enough together that the official didn't have time to blow his whistle for the common foul. The intentional foul was the only one called. Granted, I'm only speculating that the official would've called the common foul, but it sure looked like a foul from my vantage point.

Adam Mon Feb 27, 2012 06:11pm

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Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 828293)
Reviewing foul definitions... Sure seems to be a multiple foul. Two teammates committed personal fouls against the same opponent at approximately the same time. Maybe I didn't make it clear that the common foul which came first wasn't called. The intentional foul came after, but they were close enough together that the official didn't have time to blow his whistle for the common foul. The intentional foul was the only one called. Granted, I'm only speculating that the official would've called the common foul, but it sure looked like a foul from my vantage point.

Let's assume the first was a foul. The ball becomes dead as soon as the foul is committed, not when the whistle blows. So even if the second foul comes before the whistle for the first foul, it's a dead ball foul. The second would have to be a technical foul, thus it doesn't qualify as a multiple foul.

Now most of the time, when this second foul comes in so fast we don't have time to whistle the first, we'll just go with the 2nd.

But you cannot, by rule, call it a multiple foul. It's a false multiple, and each foul gets its own penalty.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 27, 2012 06:54pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 828298)
Let's assume the first was a foul. The ball becomes dead as soon as the foul is committed, not when the whistle blows. So even if the second foul comes before the whistle for the first foul, it's a dead ball foul. The second would have to be a technical foul, thus it doesn't qualify as a multiple foul.

Unless a player on the team that was fouled had started a try (continuous motion).

...which is what I believe the OP was trying to say when he said "Both fouls were in the continuation phase."

Adam Mon Feb 27, 2012 07:26pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 828310)
Unless a player on the team that was fouled had started a try (continuous motion).

...which is what I believe the OP was trying to say when he said "Both fouls were in the continuation phase."

You're right, but I was talking about the other play, the on that rikardo saw.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 27, 2012 07:42pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 828317)
You're right, but I was talking about the other play, the on that rikardo saw.

Fair enough....I rarely go back and read the entire thread to make sure I know the specific context of each post unless it seems unclear to me....and it bit me this time.

Adam Mon Feb 27, 2012 07:44pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 828322)
Fair enough....I rarely go back and read the entire thread to make sure I know the specific context of each post unless it seems unclear to me....and it bit me this time.

Yeah, I've never done that. :)

La Rikardo Tue Feb 28, 2012 02:38am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 828298)
Let's assume the first was a foul. The ball becomes dead as soon as the foul is committed, not when the whistle blows. So even if the second foul comes before the whistle for the first foul, it's a dead ball foul. The second would have to be a technical foul, thus it doesn't qualify as a multiple foul.

Now most of the time, when this second foul comes in so fast we don't have time to whistle the first, we'll just go with the 2nd.

But you cannot, by rule, call it a multiple foul. It's a false multiple, and each foul gets its own penalty.

If the ball becomes dead at the moment the first foul is committed, how can a multiple foul even exist? Does this mean that multiple fouls can only occur when a player is in the act of shooting?

APG Tue Feb 28, 2012 02:53am

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Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 828382)
If the ball becomes dead at the moment the first foul is committed, how can a multiple foul even exist? Does this mean that multiple fouls can only occur when a player is in the act of shooting?

It means it has to happen simultaneously...B1 and B2 foul A1 at the same time.

constable Tue Feb 28, 2012 09:15am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 828244)
JR said the player was in the act of shooting...thus the ball wasn't dead on the first opponent's contact.


right you are. Missed that point. I have a subconscious habit of not paying attention to JR I guess.

JugglingReferee Tue Feb 28, 2012 09:47am

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 828407)
right you are. Missed that point. I have a subconscious habit of not paying attention to JR I guess.

I feel weird being called JR.

JR is Jurassic.

I'm Juggs! :D


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