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Larks Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:08pm

27 years ago today
 
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M&M Guy Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:31pm

Ah, good times. The start of a sucessful business - the Bob Knight Furniture Co. Buy a sofa, and he'll throw in a chair.

(Thought I would get that out of the way early.)

I forgot about Reid missing all those FT's.

rockyroad Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:32pm

27 years ago??

Hard to believe it has been that long. I remember watching that game in the tv room of my college dorm.

Gene Keady and Bobby Knight...you just KNEW someone was getting tossed in those games!

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:36pm

It was fun seeing the refs wearing those old style shirts. Actually, I work some rec games with a guy who still wears a collared shirt.

ref3808 Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:42pm

Chair-man of the Boards?

Bad Zebra Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:43pm

Just beautiful to watch after all these years. Ya can't help but giggle as the little plastic school chair skids smoothly across the lane. I often wonder what posessed him to toss a chair as opposed to slamming a clipboard or stomping....just beautiful. I guess that's what made him Bobby Knight.

BillyMac Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:52pm

Misty Watered Down Memories ...
 
It seems like only yesterday. My, they grow up so quickly.

Welpe Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:53pm

I wonder what the rule was 30 years ago on throwing chairs. What were chairs made of 30 years ago? What was Bobby Knight's blood pressure level 30 years ago?

dsqrddgd909 Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:54pm

I coached for a long time before officiating. I began my coaching immediately after Indiana's 1981 championship. I admired him in the beginning :confused: and absolutely loved the way his teams played. This episode took almost all of the glitter away from my eyes and everything else he did afterwards convinced me that he was a great basketball mind but a deeply troubled person. :(

JRutledge Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:55pm

I guess I did not realize that Steve Alford was playing at that time. I learned something new today. ;)

And then Daryl Thomas (second foul called on him in the video) is an varsity assistant coach at a local High School that Isiah Thomas also attended down the street from me. Remember Hoop Dreams?

Peace

JugglingReferee Thu Feb 23, 2012 03:10pm

Fred Jaspers was one of the officials.

JugglingReferee Thu Feb 23, 2012 03:11pm

Phil Bova was another.

http://www.referee.com/more/Samples/...at_knight.html

JugglingReferee Thu Feb 23, 2012 03:11pm

London Bradley was the third.

asdf Thu Feb 23, 2012 03:47pm

gotta love the AD taking care of business.........

er.... never mind....:rolleyes:

JRutledge Thu Feb 23, 2012 03:56pm

I think the officials should have forfeited the game. ;)

Peace

Raymond Thu Feb 23, 2012 04:00pm

I'm waiting for tomegun to come along tell us why this is one of the things that makes Bobby Knight a better coach than Dean Smith or Roy Williams. :D

asdf Thu Feb 23, 2012 04:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 827150)
I think the officials should have forfeited the game. ;)

Peace

:D From the time Fred went to the AD til Knight left it was almost a minute and a half.

They were very patient ;)

fullor30 Thu Feb 23, 2012 04:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 827084)
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Gosh, Phil Bova going to report the second foul on Darryl Thomas looks like an oldtime wrestler with that walk. Maybe it's the time lapse but everything looks a little cartoonish to me.

Hard to believe those shirts ever looked good, love the belted pants too, I guess good fashion is timeless, just noticed the black official, has a black placket on his shirt while another official doesn't but he has a white T shirt....brings back park district memories of my son's games

fullor30 Thu Feb 23, 2012 04:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 827131)
I guess I did not realize that Steve Alford was playing at that time. I learned something new today. ;)

And then Daryl Thomas (second foul called on him in the video) is an varsity assistant coach at a local High School that Isiah Thomas also attended down the street from me. Remember Hoop Dreams?

Peace

Just had Coach Gene a few weeks back. Darryl has filled out a little.

BillyMac Thu Feb 23, 2012 05:35pm

Official Fashion Police ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 827169)
Love the belted pants too.

Then you'd love the pants that I wear when I officiate now.

fullor30 Thu Feb 23, 2012 05:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 827193)
Then you'd love the pants that I'm wearing now.

No mullet I pray?

grunewar Thu Feb 23, 2012 05:52pm

I too liked:

- the ole orange plastic chairs
- collared shirts (of which they were all not wearing the same ones)
- hairstyles, and lets not forget those
- short, shorts :cool:

fullor30 Thu Feb 23, 2012 05:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 827198)
I too liked:

- the ole orange plastic chairs
- collared shirts (of which they were all not wearing the same ones)
- hairstyles, and lets not forget those
- short, shorts :cool:


yeah, noticed shirts one had placket, one guy has white t shirt.

How about C administering

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 23, 2012 06:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 827193)
Then you'd love the pants that I wear when I officiate now.

Do they look like this?

http://t2.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/22/04/43/...QFTv2fmSJD.jpg

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 23, 2012 06:41pm

I went to his basketball camp in 1971.

JRutledge Thu Feb 23, 2012 07:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 827171)
Just had Coach Gene a few weeks back. Darryl has filled out a little.

I had them Saturday and yes he has. He is a good guy though. Kind of cool he gives back.

Peace

ga314ref Thu Feb 23, 2012 08:52pm

More like...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 827116)
Chair-man of the Boards?

...Chair-man of the Boors.

Raymond Thu Feb 23, 2012 09:41pm

First time I've actually seen the incident. I was stationed overseas when it happened. Knight being a straight jerk. His level of jerk-itude will always detract from whatever great coaching he did. He's still a jerk when I hear him announcing games.

JugglingReferee Thu Feb 23, 2012 09:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 827217)
I went to his basketball camp in 1971.

I went to Bova's camp in '99 I think it was.

Lcubed48 Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 827131)
I guess I did not realize that Steve Alford was playing at that time. I learned something new today. ;)

And then Daryl Thomas (second foul called on him in the video) is an varsity assistant coach at a local High School that Isiah Thomas also attended down the street from me. Remember Hoop Dreams?

Peace

HC = Gene Pingatore. Gotta luv those glasses from the 70's that he wore. Is he still the HC?

JRutledge Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lcubed48 (Post 827268)
HC = Gene Pingatore. Gotta luv those glasses from the 70's that he wore. Is he still the HC?

Yes he his. He is the winningest coach in IHSA history. Still going strong and hardly says a word to officials about anything.

Peace

Lcubed48 Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 827269)
Yes he his. He is the winningest coach in IHSA history. Still going strong and hardly says a word to officials about anything.

Peace

Good for him.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Feb 24, 2012 06:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 827084)
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Has it been that long ago? Bobby, we hardly knew ye.

MTD, Sr.

bainsey Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by asdf (Post 827158)
From the time Fred went to the AD til Knight left it was almost a minute and a half.

By the way, why was the A.D. requested to get into the mix? Standard operating procedure?

Raymond Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 827345)
By the way, why was the A.D. requested to get into the mix? Standard operating procedure?

Game admin. Officials had a coach who was refusing to leave.

bainsey Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 827347)
Game admin. Officials had a coach who was refusing to leave.

But, Knight only had 2 Ts at the time. The third came after the A.D. took the floor. It was three for ejection back at that time, right?

Welpe Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 827356)
But, Knight only had 2 Ts at the time. The third came after the A.D. took the floor. It was three for ejection back at that time, right?

Per the article, he was ejected by all three officials after he tossed the chair. The third was for making a sailor blush with his language directed at the officials.

ref2coach Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 827356)
But, Knight only had 2 Ts at the time. The third came after the A.D. took the floor. It was three for ejection back at that time, right?

Was there a flagrant T in the rules at that time? Would throwing the chair in the general direction of the player getting ready to shoot and the administering officials been ruled flagrant?

Adam Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 827363)
Per the article, he was ejected by all three officials after he tossed the chair. The third was for making a sailor blush with his language directed at the officials.

Didn't know it took three, but I was going to add that throwing the chair is likely a flagrant.

Welpe Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 827366)
Didn't know it took three, but I was going to add that throwing the chair is likely a flagrant.

I don't know that it ever did? All I know is the the third was after he was already tossed.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 827356)
But, Knight only had 2 Ts at the time. The third came after the A.D. took the floor. It was three for ejection back at that time, right?


A player, coach, or bench personnel can always (with apologies to J. Dallas Shirley) be disquailifed or ejected after committing a single Flagrant Technical Foul. The first TF can be a FTF.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 827364)
Would throwing the chair in the general direction of the player getting ready to shoot and the administering officials been ruled flagrant?


Ref2Coach:

Is this a rhetorical question?

MTD, Sr.

Scrapper1 Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 827169)
love the belted pants too, I guess good fashion is timeless, just noticed the black official, has a black placket on his shirt while another official doesn't but he has a white T shirt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 827198)
I too liked:

- the ole orange plastic chairs
- collared shirts (of which they were all not wearing the same ones)
- hairstyles, and lets not forget those
- short, shorts :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 827200)
How about C administering

How about cheerleaders on the court while they're waiting for the free throw shooter?

How about the 45 second shot clock?

BillyMac Fri Feb 24, 2012 01:15pm

You Can Look It Up ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 827366)
throwing the chair is likely a flagrant.

FIBA Metric Rules: It's a flagrant technical foul, and automatic ejection, to throw a shoe.

rockyroad Fri Feb 24, 2012 01:47pm

At that time, the NCAA rules was that it took a combination of 3 T's on a Head Coach to be ejected...players and Assistants were 2. The throwing of the chair was deemed flagrant and he was ejected - which turned his argument into a "you can't eject me, I've only got 2 T's" type of thing.

Adam Fri Feb 24, 2012 01:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 827395)
At that time, the NCAA rules was that it took a combination of 3 T's on a Head Coach to be ejected...players and Assistants were 2. The throwing of the chair was deemed flagrant and he was ejected - which turned his argument into a "you can't eject me, I've only got 2 T's" type of thing.

And he probably still thinks you can't eject a coach with a single T.

refiator Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:32pm

And ....The "Fashion-Dont's". My how times have changed... Players, coaches, refs, fans, cheerleaders, and so on.......
What a classic....Thanks for posting. Haven't seen that side it originally happened. :)

ref2coach Sat Feb 25, 2012 09:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 827376)
Ref2Coach:

Is this a rhetorical question?

MTD, Sr.

;) Touche :D


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