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stiffler3492 Fri Feb 17, 2012 04:33pm

I love picking up games!
 
More importantly, I'm glad my assignor can call me and I'm available to take the game.

Word to the wise, be available and agreeable!

fullor30 Fri Feb 17, 2012 05:38pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 825209)
More importantly, I'm glad my assignor can call me and I'm available to take the game.

Word to the wise, be available and agreeable!

Nightmare on Elm Street..........Freddy!

stiffler3492 Fri Feb 17, 2012 05:53pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 825232)
Nightmare on Elm Street..........Freddy!

Haha I think he called me three times today. Once for tonight and then twice about games on Monday morning

Welpe Fri Feb 17, 2012 09:19pm

I've only had to tell my assignor no once when he called me in a pinch and I was at the airport waiting for a connecting flight home. Being able to tell him yes almost anytime he calls has gotten me numerous extra games.

JugglingReferee Fri Feb 17, 2012 09:58pm

Although it was football, I worked a provincial bowl assignment because someone was actually late for such a game, and I had my gear in my trunk.

BktBallRef Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:18pm

I have never refused a game.

I have never turned a game back in.

Welpe Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:28pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 825282)
Although it was football, I worked a provincial bowl assignment because someone was actually late for such a game, and I had my gear in my trunk.

I always pack my grey shirt when I work a subvarsity game in hopes that they need me for the varsity game. Doubt it will ever happen but I'm ready.

DRJ1960 Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:36pm

Trifecta
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 825290)
I always pack my grey shirt when I work a subvarsity game in hopes that they need me for the varsity game. Doubt it will ever happen but I'm ready.

A few years ago.....Worked Middle School / JV boys DH... Varsity refs in fender bender.... Trifecta.:)

jTheUmp Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:16am

+1 to available and agreeable.

My first season I picked up about 10 games on a "night before" or "day of" basis.

It got my on the assigner's good side, and now I haven't had any "last minute games" this season because I've already been scheduled almost every day.

I did have to turn back one game this year during football season, but that was because I had the opportunity to work a college game, and my assigner was happy to find a replacement for me.

The_Rookie Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:00am

I review the master schedule from my assoc. and communicate with the assignor what games work well with my demanding work schedule...He appreciates that one less ref to worry about and games covered:)

Publius Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:03am

You guys who like working would have really loved the old days, when you didn't have to depend on assigners to offer you games. You just went out and got what you wanted, where you wanted, when you wanted.

Ever since leagues went to assigners, my work has been cut by a third because I'm not willing to elevate last-minute games above the rest of life--what you guys call "being available." I never had to before, even though I worked a lot more, because I filled my schedule well in advance. My motto with assigners is, "If you wanted me to work that game, you should have offered it to me in the first place."

Because the majority of officials were too lazy to work to get better and/or fill a schedule on their own, leagues got frustrated and made officials join associations, with mandated training and game assigners. It raised the bottom, but it ruined things for many ambitious--both at getting better, and getting games--individuals who didn't just sit around waiting for teams to call them.

Revenues are driven down and expenses are up since individual initiative was relegated to the scrap heap. I live in an urban area with dozens of schools within 25 miles, and scores more within 50. I NEVER went outside the 25 mile radius of my house before assigners decided "You need to take your turns working the longer-distance games like everybody else--if you want to get games from me."

Entire training sessions are now themed around "How to get more and better games by sucking up to the assigner and asking 'How high?' whenever he says 'Jump!" " They don't call it that, but that's what it is.

Assigners add considerable value for the teams and leagues that need officials, and for officials who aren't bright enough to recognize that most of a successful officiating career takes place off the court or field. For officials with ambition, assigners add nothing and take a lot away. They're a pox.

constable Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:28am

Refusing games cannot be avoided in some cases. Some of us work rotating shifts and have varied availability. I try to email my assignors my availability ahead of time so they work around that.

If I'm not available to work a game it is as simple as that.

JRutledge Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:43am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 825285)
I have never refused a game.

I have never turned a game back in.

Both would be impossible in our system as people ask us to work games all the time at the same time as other games. And when weather becomes an issue turning back games or refusing to work games is also common. Of course I would not make a habit to turn back games, but it happens for all kinds of personal and professional reasons.

Peace

Adam Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:57am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 825417)
Both would be impossible in our system as people ask us to work games all the time at the same time as other games. And when weather becomes an issue turning back games or refusing to work games is also common. Of course I would not make a habit to turn back games, but it happens for all kinds of personal and professional reasons.

Peace

I don't make a habit of either. Locally, we only have one HS assigner, and the ms assigners all work through arbiter as well, so we don't get double booked.
Due to family issues, I had to turn some back last week, but stuff happens. I've volunteered to do doubles and even triples this year, and been quick to respond.

JRutledge Sat Feb 18, 2012 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 825421)
I don't make a habit of either. Locally, we only have one HS assigner, and the ms assigners all work through arbiter as well, so we don't get double booked.
Due to family issues, I had to turn some back last week, but stuff happens. I've volunteered to do doubles and even triples this year, and been quick to respond.

The Arbiter has definitely changed things for sure. Not much of an issue at the HS level anymore with conflicts and double booking as every assignor in the Chicago area are tied into the same system to view who is open and closed dates. That does not include college or other levels so that is where the conflicts can come into play here.

Peace

eyezen Sat Feb 18, 2012 02:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Publius (Post 825411)
You guys who like working would have really loved the old days, when you didn't have to depend on assigners to offer you games. You just went out and got what you wanted, where you wanted, when you wanted.

Ever since leagues went to assigners, my work has been cut by a third because I'm not willing to elevate last-minute games above the rest of life--what you guys call "being available." I never had to before, even though I worked a lot more, because I filled my schedule well in advance. My motto with assigners is, "If you wanted me to work that game, you should have offered it to me in the first place."

Because the majority of officials were too lazy to work to get better and/or fill a schedule on their own, leagues got frustrated and made officials join associations, with mandated training and game assigners. It raised the bottom, but it ruined things for many ambitious--both at getting better, and getting games--individuals who didn't just sit around waiting for teams to call them.

Revenues are driven down and expenses are up since individual initiative was relegated to the scrap heap. I live in an urban area with dozens of schools within 25 miles, and scores more within 50. I NEVER went outside the 25 mile radius of my house before assigners decided "You need to take your turns working the longer-distance games like everybody else--if you want to get games from me."

Entire training sessions are now themed around "How to get more and better games by sucking up to the assigner and asking 'How high?' whenever he says 'Jump!" " They don't call it that, but that's what it is.

Assigners add considerable value for the teams and leagues that need officials, and for officials who aren't bright enough to recognize that most of a successful officiating career takes place off the court or field. For officials with ambition, assigners add nothing and take a lot away. They're a pox.

I disagree with all of this. I came up in the "hustle you own game" system and absolutely hated it. Hoping an AD called to offer games, and it be a potpourri games from JH to varsity, boys girls etc. Imagine working a JH game one night and turning around in the same gym possibly the next and work a varsity game. Done that, no thanks. Then the next AD would call, and what he would offer you invariably would be on the same nights. So you'd end up with a haphazard schedule or have to pizz off an AD by calling him back and turning back some games for him to find some sort of balance. Now extrapolate that across many schools and many ADs? Forget it.

Since joining an association I never have to worry about hustling my own games. I have a consistent schedule. I can block out dates if I want and I dont get called. If I'm open and get called, I know I'm going to work. The positives far far far outwieght any negatives. In my opinion the only people to hate the assignor system are those who think they are better than they are and think they should be getting more and bigger games and the assignor is holding them back or doesn't get along with them. That or those with an authority complex.

Rich Sat Feb 18, 2012 03:59pm

We have conference assignors and ADs (who assign most nonconference games). I like the system. I work as much as I want. Those who won't email or contact a commissioner or AD and wait for people to call them are the same people who don't work. Me? I'll break 60 varsity and above this season for the first time. You can't be afraid to ask for games - not everyone says yes, but many will give you a shot and if you can work you will.

When I worked for a central assignor my dates were at his whim. Some weeks lots of games, others 1 or 2. Took care of his "boys". No thanks. This way I can lose one assignor for whatever reason and it doesn't affect more than a handful of games.

Rich Sat Feb 18, 2012 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 825455)
We have conference assignors and ADs (who assign most nonconference games). I like the system. I work as much as I want. Those who won't email or contact a commissioner or AD and wait for people to call them are the same people who don't work. Me? I'll break 60 varsity and above this season for the first time. You can't be afraid to ask for games - not everyone says yes, but many will give you a shot and if you can work you will.

When I worked for a central assignor my dates were at his whim. Some weeks lots of games, others 1 or 2. Took care of his "boys". No thanks. This way I can lose one assignor for whatever reason and it doesn't affect more than a handful of games.

That said, I'm already planning my scaling back for 2013-14. I'm going to be very selective in what I take and hope I can get enough boys games to make me happy. If I work 30 games, I think I'll be OK. With baseball and football, I do enough officiating as it is.

BillyMac Sat Feb 18, 2012 06:39pm

I Heart Arbiter ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 825437)
The Arbiter has definitely changed things for sure. Not much of an issue at the HS level anymore with conflicts and double booking as every assignor in the Chicago area are tied into the same system to view who is open and closed dates.

Arbiter rules. I only work for two assigners, one assigns me all my high school games, and the other assigns me Catholic middle school games. My Catholic middle school assigner can "see" my high school schedule, thus avoiding conflicts. Even though my high school assigner can't "see" my Catholic middle school assignments, whenever I get a new high school assignment, like a fill-in assignment, on a night when I already have a Catholic middle school assignment, I can email, or call, my Catholic middle school assigner and turn back his game, even at the last minute, no problem, no repercussions. It's a great system.

Publius Sat Feb 18, 2012 08:08pm

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 825444)
I disagree with all of this. I came up in the "hustle you own game" system and absolutely hated it. Hoping an AD called to offer games...

If that's how it worked for you, you don't know the meaning of hustling your own games. You waited for ADs to call, and now you wait for assigners to call. There's no hustle in that.

In my opinion the only people to like the assignor system are those who think they are better than they are and think they should be getting more and bigger games and the assignor is helping them do that because he gets along with them. That or those with an inferiority complex.

Plenty of guys got more and better games based on ability and their own initiative, and now get less of both because assigners have to keep 100 officials happy to keep their jobs; the jobs they want because they love to be in control. Teams and leagues love assigners because it relieves them of the responsibility of getting officials. While lots of officials might like assigners, none worth his salt has any real need for one.

JerryLundagard Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:47am

When I first started out, if you wanted to work a lot you had to get your own games. There were assigners but they only had so many games. If I wanted to work a lot I needed to go out and get games. I never minded that part of the deal. I liked the fact that I had control over my schedule.

Now our area is pretty much exclusively controlled by assigners. Probably 95% of the games are assigned by someone other than the school. It is easier to manage but there is far less control over where I work. I will get three or four emails in April and my schedule will be pretty much filled up. I don’t have to do much work but also I have to go where they tell me. I guess you take the good with the bad.

stiffler3492 Tue Feb 21, 2012 01:19am

My first year was the last year my area used Assign By Web, and by the time I got patched, the assignments had been given out for months. I was left to keep refreshing the self-assign section of the page, hoping something would pop up.

Picking up games from certain assignors led to more regular assignments from those guys.


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