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justacoach Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:33pm

Officials to blame??
 
Check out great photo

Anne Arundel boys’ basketball: Old Mill snaps Arundel’s 20-game win streak in chaotic finish - The Washington Post

JRutledge Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:47pm

Blame the official's for what? Headbands? Not sure where you are going with this.

Peace

WreckRef Thu Feb 16, 2012 01:18pm

Probably because the article says this, "Salmond was fouled and the clock was set to 13 seconds remaining after the whistle, but a media member filming the game noted nine seconds had elapsed on his camera’s timer so only eight seconds should have remained."

But since you can't use a monitor it doesn't matter it 200 cameras filmed it.

Also, blaming officials is a lame and a tired excuse. The team still had over 31 minutes of game time to make another free throw, score another field goal or stop the opposing team one more time.

tref Thu Feb 16, 2012 01:22pm

Ijs
 
Chopping in time is good, making sure the clock actually starts on the chop is even better.

berserkBBK Thu Feb 16, 2012 01:32pm

Tough to look to see if the clock started when there are bodies on the floor. Also we don't know where the clock is located on the floor. Not an excuse, but again some locations make it difficult when we have people fighting for the ball in a close and possibly physical game.
The officials didn't have definitive knowledge of time elapsed and by rule should have left all the time on the clock.

JRutledge Thu Feb 16, 2012 01:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by WreckRef (Post 824742)
Probably because the article says this, "Salmond was fouled and the clock was set to 13 seconds remaining after the whistle, but a media member filming the game noted nine seconds had elapsed on his camera’s timer so only eight seconds should have remained."

I was focusing on the comments about the photo not the situation based on the comment in the OP.

Peace

tref Thu Feb 16, 2012 01:40pm

Multi-task
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by berserkBBK (Post 824746)
Tough to look to see if the clock started when there are bodies on the floor. Also we don't know where the clock is located on the floor. Not an excuse, but again some locations make it difficult when we have people fighting for the ball in a close and possibly physical game.
The officials didn't have definitive knowledge of time elapsed and by rule should have left all the time on the clock.

I agree, depending on where the clock is located, 2 vs 3 person crews & the ensuing action following the missed FT, it can be quite tough. That being said, it still can & should be done. Sneaking a peek takes less than two seconds...

dsqrddgd909 Thu Feb 16, 2012 01:43pm

Two quotes from article interested me.

"the scorekeepers couldn’t see the play because the bench was standing up in front of them"

"an official blew an inadvertent whistle after a defensive rebound. "

twocentsworth Thu Feb 16, 2012 02:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 824743)
Chopping in time is good, making sure the clock actually starts on the chop is even better.

not having an inadvertant whistle is EVEN BETTER!!!!

can't control made or missed shots....
can't control turnovers....
can't control bad coaching decisions....
can't control when the clock starts/stops....(although we can always adjust it)

we CAN control when we blow our whistle.

Did the IW have an effect on the game? of course!
Did the IW cause Anne Arundel to lose the game? NO!

Adam Thu Feb 16, 2012 02:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 824751)
I agree, depending on where the clock is located, 2 vs 3 person crews & the ensuing action following the missed FT, it can be quite tough. That being said, it still can & should be done. Sneaking a peek takes less than two seconds...

So does an elbow to the face.

tref Thu Feb 16, 2012 02:33pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 824760)
So does an elbow to the face.

You sir are absolutely correct... managing all aspects of the game, as well as emotions is what seperates good officials from exceptional officials.

Amesman Thu Feb 16, 2012 02:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 824752)
"the scorekeepers couldn’t see the play because the bench was standing up in front of them"

Sounds like there might be a couple nominations for Fullor30's "wish I hadn't" file. But also hope somebody reminded the scorekeeper he/she is supposed to be watching and listening to us, not necessarily "the play," or scrum in this case.

Cobra Thu Feb 16, 2012 05:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 824752)
Two quotes from article interested me.

"the scorekeepers couldn’t see the play because the bench was standing up in front of them"

Do they have 2 different officials signal for the clock to start? I doubt that the timer could not see either signal.

Adam Thu Feb 16, 2012 05:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 824762)
You sir are absolutely correct... managing all aspects of the game, as well as emotions is what seperates good officials from exceptional officials.

My point is, saying you should look at the clock here is obvious; but we also need to acknowledge that sometimes we just can't. I should be able to hear the coach request a TO, every time, but sometimes, I just can't.

When there's matchup activity that needs to be monitored, I'm willing to give up clock management for a moment if I can't look away.

This year, I've made it a priority to glance at the clock, and I've done pretty well; but I also think any time we have multiple and (sometimes) competing responsibilities, we have to prioritize.

Sharpshooternes Thu Feb 16, 2012 06:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 824862)
My point is, saying you should look at the clock here is obvious; but we also need to acknowledge that sometimes we just can't. I should be able to hear the coach request a TO, every time, but sometimes, I just can't.

When there's matchup activity that needs to be monitored, I'm willing to give up clock management for a moment if I can't look away.

This year, I've made it a priority to glance at the clock, and I've done pretty well; but I also think any time we have multiple and (sometimes) competing responsibilities, we have to prioritize.

So in this situation when you notice the clock hasn't started, you would blow the play dead, and then (in this situation) go to the AP because I assume it was still a loose ball, right?

And just curious, how long do you go before you whistle the play dead? 1 sec. 5 sec? Does it matter how far along in the game you are? Just curious about others' opinions.


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