What do you got?

Brad

ga314ref wrote
Until a better video comes along, I'll trust the judgment of the guys who were there.

A better video? This one clearly shows everything! We shouldn't need a zoomed-in camera on the basket to be able to tell it went in!

Here are the freeze frames for those that are still questioning it!

The ball headed towards the basket...

The ball entering the basket — note the position of the ball just inside the rim...

The ball IN the basket!!

If anyone still wants to say they are not sure after that, I have no idea what to tell you!!

Camron Rust

Brad wrote
A better video? This one clearly shows everything! We shouldn't need a zoomed-in camera on the basket to be able to tell it went in!

Here are the freeze frames for those that are still questioning it!

The ball headed towards the basket...

The ball entering the basket — note the position of the ball just inside the rim...

The ball IN the basket!!

If anyone still wants to say they are not sure after that, I have no idea what to tell you!!

While I believe the ball when in, those still shots are not at all conclusive. They're too grainy to tell whether the ball is in the basket or in front of it. I think the more telling evidence is how the ball changes path as it passes the rim and the net action....in a way that was consistent only with having gone in.

Brad

One more thing. The lead knew it went in — I guarantee you. Watch his body language.

What do you normally do on a steal? You immediately start sprinting the other way. He knew the ball went in and was clearly waiting for the team to take it out of bounds.

This is from about two seconds after the white player grabs the ball and the referee still has not moved an inch and is just standing there waiting...

Brad

Camron Rust wrote
While I believe the ball when in, those still shots are not at all conclusive. They're too grainy to tell whether the ball is in the basket or in front of it. I think the more telling evidence is how the ball changes path as it passes the rim and the net action....in a way that was consistent only with having gone in.

The second photo CLEARLY shows that the ball is within the cylinder. And the third photo you can see that the orange RIM is in FRONT of the ball —*if the ball was in front of the rim, you wouldn't see the rim, you'd see the ball.

Camron Rust

Brad wrote
The second photo CLEARLY shows that the ball is within the cylinder. And the third photo you can see that the orange RIM is in FRONT of the ball —*if the ball was in front of the rim, you wouldn't see the rim, you'd see the ball.

I don't dispute the conclusion, only your reading of what the photo shows....

I zoomed and cropped to just the rim in your 3rd shot.

It doesn't show enough detail to determine anything. For all I know, that is bigfoot that is near the rim. It definitely doesn't make it clear that the rim is in front of the ball. (The 2nd shot is equally inconclusive)

Brad

You can totally see the rim and that the bottom of the ball is clearly within it. How could the ball possibly be in front of it?

fullor30

Brad wrote
You can totally see the rim and that the bottom of the ball is clearly within it. How could the ball possibly be in front of it?

I think the shot came from the grassy knoll

Adam

Camron Rust wrote
I don't dispute the conclusion, only your reading of what the photo shows....

I zoomed and cropped to just the rim in your 3rd shot.

It doesn't show enough detail to determine anything. For all I know, that is bigfoot that is near the rim. It definitely doesn't make it clear that the rim is in front of the ball. (The 2nd shot is equally inconclusive)

Hey, take it to the UFO board.

BktBallRef

Brad wrote
Totally agree —*there were only 4 people in the entire gym that didn't realize the ball went in ... the player that grabbed it and the 3 officials!!

Or 4 people that know it didn't go in! 😀

APG

If I've learned anything from shows like CSI and NCIS, it's that you're suppose to blow up the image, then enhance it! 🙄

Camron Rust

AllPurposeGamer wrote
If I've learned anything from shows like CSI and NCIS, it's that you're suppose to blow up the image, then enhance it! :rolleyes:

I've cleaned it up...

Brad

Annnnnnnd /thread!

LOLOL

BillyMac

fullor30 wrote
I think the shot came from the grassy knoll.

It's "The Zapruder Film - The Sequel".

Toren

Adam

Well then....

Welpe

Fair enough. I still maintain the video in the OP was not that clear though. So this raises the question, why didn't the L do anything?

Brad

Welpe wrote
Fair enough. I still maintain the video in the OP was not that clear though. So this raises the question, why didn't the L do anything?

I still maintain that my eyesight is better than the rest of y'all!!! 🙂

Loudwhistle2

Brad wrote
I still maintain that my eyesight is better than the rest of y'all!!! 🙂

Ball Watcher!😃

Welpe

Brad wrote
I still maintain that my eyesight is better than the rest of y'all!!! 🙂

Or maybe you just let your brain trick your eyes into seeing what you want them to. 😀

Toren

Welpe wrote
Fair enough. I still maintain the video in the OP was not that clear though. So this raises the question, why didn't the L do anything?

What could the L do? If he suspected the ball went in but his T and his C who had much better angles acted like it didn't and the one player in white acted like he didn't.

It looks like from the video, he gave his thoughts to the C and the T and the call was no good.

Anything else he could have done?

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