arrow change
 

Ball OOB on the arrow. Offense violates with an illegal screen. Does the arrow switch?

Your question makes no sense. An illegal screen is a foul not a violation. One of those two items causes the arrow to change, the other doesn't. The arrow changes when the throw0in ends. See 4-throw-in to find the rest of your answer.

The question is hazy, but it sounds as if you had a foul on an AP throw in. This has no affect on the arrow direction.

These are very confusing plays to younger officials.

Agreed. And, imo, a minute or two in the rules book (with the guidance provided) will clarify the answer and cement it in the youngsters' brains more than just giving the answer here.

My idea of hell is standing in front of a defensive coach while a girl dances around trying to set a screen, missing badly, while the coach yells "moving screen, moving screen" in my ear. A deeper layer of hell has the coach throwing in "3 seconds" every third time or so.

Taking it a step further... B1 is called for a kicking violation on A1's pass to A2.

Is that a question?

I'll Take Violations For $100, Alex ...
 

In Jeopardy, and on the Forum, your answers must be in the form of a question.

Padgett will enjoy this one: I had a girls' 12U game this morning and the winning team had two girls that were about 5'09". Their team had one offensive possession where a guard for the team missed a FGA and these two girls proceeded to play volleyball putting up at least 6 shoots between the two of them before one of them scored a layup, all the while a father from the other team is counting allowed and screaming how long am I going to let them stay in the lane, :p.

MTD, Sr.

So you told him it was not allowed?

Too easy.

The father from the other team was a spectator in the stands. I was delighted that he was able to count to ten without using his fingers. :D

MTD, Sr.

Sometimes this bugs me, usually when the one knucklehead can be heard over everyone else. Sometimes, I feel like invoking the idiot Dad rule, but never so much as nod at the guy. I will, however, occasionally laugh out loud.

So what happens then?

The violation by B on the throw-in means that A gets the ball again but this time it is not an AP throw-in and A will keep the arrow as the AP throw-in did not end.

Based on what I wrote above, you tell me.

I think you are wrong about the throw in not being ended. Rule: 4-42-5


ART. 5

The throw-in ends when:

a. The passed ball touches or is legally touched by another player inbounds.
b. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player out of bounds, except as in 7-5-7.
c. The throw-in team commits a throw-in violation.
The arrow should switch but A gets the ball back for a kicking violation.

That is why the AP Throw-in has not ended. The ensuing throw-in is for the violatioin by the Team B player and the next time there is a Jump Ball Situation, Team A will receive the ball for a Throw-in via the AP Arrow.

MTD, Sr.

Ah, clever. You are right.

4.42.5 SITUATION: Team A is awarded an alternating-possession throw-in. A1’s throw-in pass is illegally kicked by B2. RULING: As a result of B2’s kicking violation, Team A is awarded a new throw-in at the designated spot nearest to where the kicking violation (illegal touching) occurred. Since the alternating-possession throw-in had not been contacted legally, the throw-in has not ended and therefore, the arrow remains with Team A for the next alternating-possession throw-in. COMMENT: The kicking violation ends the alternating-possession throw-in and as a result, a non-alternating-possession throw-in is administered. When the ball is legally touched on the subsequent throw-in following the kicking violation, the arrow shall not be changed and shall remain with Team A

Not clever at all. It's a matter of KNOWING the definitions and then applying them within the remaining 9 rules.

6-4-5 is actually a direct answer to this question