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tref Fri Feb 10, 2012 04:45pm

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 822618)
The thinking that "we only answer questions, not comments" doesn't really apply anymore.

Amen, I cant believe some people still use this in pregame :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 822618)
In response to another comment, if a foul occurs do we not call it based on if it will make the game better or not? Or, is it fundamentally an act by one player that must be penalized? Truth is, not all technical fouls make the game better. However, if a technical foul is earned - stressing earned - why is there a problem with calling it?

Some people are teaching if we answer no to any of these questions, then its not a good T:

1. Does a T here make the game better?
2. Does the punishment fit the crime?
3. Can my immediate supervisor back me up?

Raymond Fri Feb 10, 2012 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 822618)
As others have said "although the YYYY coach was complaining about nearly everything that didn’t go his way" was the only thing that I see that could have been handled differently. The way the game is currently, we must address comments and behavior. The thinking that "we only answer questions, not comments" doesn't really apply anymore.
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To me the tone and volume of the comments and any associated histrionics as well as the frequency gauge whether or not I need to address the coach at some point.

If every once in a while he says something to me when I'm in the C but doesn't escalate the conversation I'm going to let it go. It's when I start getting the dramatic body language or a loud yell when I say "alright Coach, that's enough".

Rich Fri Feb 10, 2012 05:17pm

I hate to say this, but I've shortened my rope the past couple of years. I address bad behavior early and if it persists, I whack the coach and move on. Does it affect the rating I get from the coaches? I couldn't possibly care.

I've probably called 4-5 head coach technicals this season in 50 varsity/juco games (and witnessed partners calling a few more) and all but one of those were in the second quarter. Not a single coach gave me the slightest problem after the technical foul was called. Made my night much more pleasant.

Ignoring statements only goes so far. Ignoring the random, quiet, Tourette's like "travel," "3 seconds," etc. is easy. It's the louder, more unsportsmanlike statements I think we need to address and early. And not tolerate them.

truerookie Fri Feb 10, 2012 05:22pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 822621)
Amen, I cant believe some people still use this in pregame :rolleyes:



Some people are teaching if we answer no to any of these questions, then its not a good T:

1. Does a T here make the game better?
2. Does the punishment fit the crime?
3. Can my immediate supervisor back me up?

I cannot for the life of me find any rules support to your questions out lined. PLEASE ASSIST.

tref Fri Feb 10, 2012 05:23pm

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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 822649)
I cannot for the life of me find any rules support to your questions out lined. PLEASE ASSIST.

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 822647)
I've probably called 4-5 head coach technicals this season in 50 varsity/juco games (and witnessed partners calling a few more) and all but one of those were in the second quarter. Not a single coach gave me the slightest problem after the technical foul was called. Made my night much more pleasant.

Sounds like your Ts make your games better? Coaches generally get back to coaching their team once whacked.

truerookie Fri Feb 10, 2012 05:50pm

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Ok, this is way above my comfort level. I will stay down here at the high school level and live me dreams through those who strive to be amongst the stars. :)

BillyMac Fri Feb 10, 2012 06:22pm

Hey, If I Didn't Ask, You Know That Mark Padgett Would Have ...
 
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Originally Posted by kwv001 (Post 822571)
The mother of #14 came on the floor, screaming that it was her son we had just ejected.

You skipped some important information. Was she hot? Was she single?

kwv001 Sat Feb 11, 2012 06:35am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 822662)
You skipped some important information. Was she hot? Was she single?

The answer to the first question is definitely not, which makes the second question irelevant! :D

bowlingref Sat Feb 11, 2012 07:55am

Must Be In The Water Or Air
 
Reffed 50 games this year and one T until Last Tuesday, Varsity girls two man. Three T's and fan removed. Now I go back to the same school with same teams Monday for a first round playoff game. Interesting.

BillyMac Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:16am

Double Down ...
 
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Originally Posted by bowlingref (Post 822807)
Three T's and fan removed. Now I go back to the same school with same teams Monday for a first round playoff game. Interesting.

Double your pleasure. Double your fun.

The_Rookie Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:53am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 822647)
I hate to say this, but I've shortened my rope the past couple of years. I address bad behavior early and if it persists, I whack the coach and move on. Does it affect the rating I get from the coaches? I couldn't possibly care.

I've probably called 4-5 head coach technicals this season in 50 varsity/juco games (and witnessed partners calling a few more) and all but one of those were in the second quarter. Not a single coach gave me the slightest problem after the technical foul was called. Made my night much more pleasant.

Ignoring statements only goes so far. Ignoring the random, quiet, Tourette's like "travel," "3 seconds," etc. is easy. It's the louder, more unsportsmanlike statements I think we need to address and early. And not tolerate them.

Do you ever issue a warning and have it recorded in the book?

Rich Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:03pm

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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 822844)
Do you ever issue a warning and have it recorded in the book?

No. I don't believe in making a big production out of warning a coach. If I do it right, he and I (and my partners) are the only ones who know he's been warned. I'm not a stop sign guy and am unconcerned with making the warning show up on tape. I have no assignor that questions TFs, though, at least not directly. If I call a technical, I've either made it clear it's coming (and the coach can't help himself or wants one) or the action is so egregious everyone can see what's happened.

observer Sat Feb 11, 2012 01:34pm

Tough Times Don't Last. Tough Officials Do!!

BktBallRef Sat Feb 11, 2012 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by kwv001 (Post 822571)
While we were sorting this situation out with the table, the mother of YYYY #14 came on the floor, screaming that it was her son we had just ejected, we can’t do that, and then grabbed the basketball. I asked her to give it to me; she refused, indicating I should go to her to get it. At this point, I asked the police officer on site to remove her, and told the game administrator from YYYY that we would not resume until she was out of the gym.

Ah, no. You don't say anything to her, you just wait for her to be escorted out. We can't play without the ball. Somebody will ge the ball.

Having said that, you had to ask "the police officer on site to remove her." Really? Really? He had to be "asked?" What the hell does he think his job is? :mad:


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