I think you guys are putting too much into something you already unknowingly do.

You're T & A1 shakes B1 & gets by him on a drive to the rack...

Are you still looking at B1 or do you find the next guy that could hurt you??
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You're the L & A1 shakes B1 & gets by him on a drive to the rack from the Cs area...

Aren't you in the paint identifying that next defender??



We should be picking up 2ndary defenders at any level we currently work.

Except there's a definition of secondary defender in the NCAA rulebook. Could easily be copied into the NFHS rulebook if they wanted to.

I'm not a fan of B1 putting himself in A1's landing spot. To me, it's dangerous and B1 could've just as easily stepped up and established LGP in many circumstances.

I like the RA, but I don't think it's a no brainer to call in some circumstances.

Help..what is SDF..stand for??

Start...Develop...Finish. More camp-speak: see the whole play.

Start
Develope
Finish

Right, and unless A1 is kicking his legs on the way (which doesn't happen), it's always a block, period. Be it primary, secondary, or quinary defender, it's a block. For that reason, I still don't get what the RA accomplishes.

It deters the defense from attempting to take charges in the 3'/4' RA.
Reduces potential injuries to the offense & defense in the heart of the paint.
Promotes scoring.

No, it's not -- if you're currently calling NFHS rules. I call that a PC foul every time. However, I'd be happy if they change the rule to match the NCAA/NBA.

Are we on the same page here?

If a defender establishes LGP after a shooter leaves the floor, and contact takes place, by rule, it's a block.

They may have stated that....but underneath it all, it was about scoring.

Yes, it is a byproduct of the rule...one that I'm guessing most people are happy with. Offense puts butts in the seats, defense wins championships. ;)

Not if Team A is in the bonus.

MTD, Sr.

That's not what the rule is. The rules say the guard is responsible for the contact in that situation. The contact must hinder in the opponent from preforming his normal movements for it to be a foul.

These same concepts of principal of verticality and moving within it can apply to what fans call over the back. Now we all know its not a foul, but if B1 puts his arms over A1's back shouldn't you call a foul because A1 might have jumped and B1's arms in A1's vertical space prevented it.

Just saying. It is a slippery slope if you are going to call fouls on what a player may have been prevented from doing if he had tried doing it. Call what did happen and not what might have happened. This is a good no call if there was no displacement. What if this had happened in a 1 point ball game with 10 seconds and the player could have passed the ball up ahead to a waiting team mate for the winning bucket? If you call the foul when the player was not disadvantaged then you prevent them from possibly winning the game. Incidental contact is defined as contact that does not rise to the point of a foul and does not prevent a defensive or offensive player from performing his/her duties. This is a paraphrase of course, but that is basically the idea of incidental contact. It seems like this was just incidental contact, unless you are of the opinion that "two of anything" in contact with the player with the ball is ALWAYS a foul.

A defender can't establish LGP after the shooter leaves the floor, so your statement makes no sense.