One and one signal
 

How do you guys like to signal 1 and 1 when you are lead and have the ball in your hands? Seen a few different ways but haven't found one I like yet.

I bounce the ball once, visually & verbally give the 1 & 1, catch the ball & administer.

Drop the ball, signal and state "Bonus" or "One and One" and then catch the ball after the bounce.

You're too quick for me...

Slow day @ the office.

I did notice this one. Seems to be the popular consensus. It was the one I liked the most. Guess I'll give it a try. Thanks.

How do you currently administer?

Hold the ball between your hands and raise both index fingers

+1

+1 ...verbalize as well (obviously).

In the event of any miscommunication between players/coaches & officials, this method doesnt really show up well on video.

I signal and verbally state 1-and-1 (arms out) immediately after I release the bounce pass to the shooter.

I do each of these at different times.

Peace

Me three. I'll say "Bonus", then "one and one" the first time a team shoots the one and one, and skip the "Bonus" the rest. I'll say "Double Bonus" the first time we shoot 2.

I think it does if you do it right. And add the same both index finger signal toward the table after you back out.

does no one verbalize a "play it off the rim" or "rest on the first"?

I use the, "Hold the ball between your hands and raise both index fingers" method as well. However, I also look to the table as I'm backing out to my position under the basket and signal to them that we have a one and one situation with my two index fingers raised. This does show up well on video.

EDIT: HawkeyeCub beat me to it!

+1 That will definitely show up!

Yup!

What if it hits the backboard first?
We dont coach.

bounce ball and drop my whistle as I don't use a lanyard, and signal. I then juggle to catch both ball and whistle, hopefully both on first bounce.

Nope...the less you say the better off you will be.

Holy heck, that's a pet peeve of mine. And I feel a thread hijack coming on. One that I'll be fighting not to join in on repeatedly.

Nails on chalkboard

+1

"1"
"2"
"3"
or
"1 and 1"
Nice and (appropriately) loud. That's it.

I use to do index fingers out while holding the ball. I did not like the way it looked on video.

I have now switched to bouncing the ball and signaling. I still back out and show 1-1 to the table. I usually say either "bonus 1 and 1" or "1 and 1".

I have found this new method, hard as hell to get use to. Either my cordination I crappy as I get older, or it's always been crappy :eek:

I will give it the whole summer to get better at it though, if it's not better by next winter, I will consider switching back.

Well, it's completely different from my 2-shot or 1-shot signal.

Nope. The less said, the better, imo. No "bonus", "double bonus" (there's no such thing, btw), "let it hit", "gentlemen", "ladies", "basket was good..."

I think I will go with the bounce, 1 and 1 signal plus verbalization, catch, administer, back out of the key and signal 1 and 1 to the table. Another minor detail, what are your opinions on 1 and 1 signal in front or with arms straight out to the side with one finger up on each hand. I have seen both.

Has this ever really been an issue?

Wow, now I've got another thing to work on. :(

Had a situation a few seasons ago where I said 1 & 1, while holding the ball & indicating as others have stated. The defenders were the only ones to move on the miss & the shooting teams players/coach swore I said 2. Unfortunately the single camera shot was from opposite table, so when I backed out, that didnt show up either.

Thats all, just a negative personal experience.

Great thread. I usually verbalize "Bonus 1 and 1" But know I should subtract one of these. Should I just say the word "Bonus" or go with "1 and 1"

If you're talking about the outside official (T in 2-person or C in 3-person), technically speaking, I believe, the first is an NCAAW signal, the other is the high school/NCAAM signal. To my knowledge, none of the three actually speak to whether or not to show and/or how to show to the table after the L backs out.

I'm not real proud of it...but, I do say "let it hit". I never say..."rest on the first one". Just "2" if there are 2 shots.

I don't say "let it hit the rim" and I used to say "let it hit something"...so I have shortened it somewhat. I think the verbalization just shows the players that I'm watching for early entry into the lane.

For 1 and 1...I hold the ball in one hand, and raise both hands with one finger on each hand extended. Maybe not the best way...but, that's how I do it.

I then, of course, back out...looking at the table...with my signal- 1 and 1, 1, 2, or 3 shots.

Hook 'em Horns while torquing my wrist back and forth and loudly verbalizing 1 and 1. Each index finger high up in the air toward table once I get back to the endline.

Used to do the index fingers up while the ball bounces but some clinician I respected thought I should change it so I did.

Not anymore....

FWIW, it's a (slight) negative here for L to signal to the table. That's C's (or T's in 2 person) job.

Sometimes, I say "let it hit," or "watch your toes" (in lower level games when I see a need), but not as often as I used to. Now that I think of it, I can't remember saying it this season in a game higher than middle school.

Good point Bob. Thanks.

+1 Then, I bounce the ball to the shooter, and show the two index fingers, as I back out of the lane.

The only time I add such extra info is when I work a level that has players that just don't know what is going on....and technically hitting ANYTHING is adequate, not just the rim. So, "Let it hit" is sufficient and more accurate.

I usually put the ball between my knees and squeeze hard to keep it there. This allows me to both verbal and visual the one and one signal with no problem. Also gives kind of a suzanne somers workout for my thighs during the game.

You forgot your: :D

It was implied.

Just when I learned to stop assuming 'round here...

You just have to know when to assume. It's more of an art than a science. :D

Niiice!

I've heard some partners say "let it hit." I don't use it.

On one-and-one, I do make a point of saying "one-and-one...ball is LIVE"

YMMV

Let It Hit ...
 

Mine too. If you're going to say something, note the "if", you might as well say something that is correct.

Confucius Say ...
 

Always listen to bob.

Why? The ball is live during any free throw.

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Good point. Really good point.

Why do you look at the table? :confused: Is it not your job to watch the players? The first time you miss the quick elbow to the gut or chops because you are looking at the table, you will find out that there is not a good answer for the coach. The table will not commit a foul. And what are you looking for anyway? The table does not have to approve how many shots are to be taken, and the calling official should have already communicated that number to the lead.

Same in our state.

Know your audience.

I don't look at the table. I signal that way while I back out, making sure the thrower secures my bounced ball, and watching the other players.

I check each position, making sure everyone is legally in, correct the toes if necessary, then just "1", "2", "3" or "1 and 1". As previously said, "More is not always better."

For "1 and 1" I am currently between two styles. I am trying to get into the one bounce "1 and 1" then bounce to shooter. I am trying to drop the hold ball and say "1 and 1" while holding it habit.

Try having the free throw shooter hold the camera.

When administering a one and one, I quote 9-1-4 verbatim. None of this "hit the rim" nonsense. Too vague. :D

So you just say 9 dash 1 dash 4.. And then bounce the ball?

And make eye contact with my partners to be SURE we are in one and one and that players are aware of the status. Simple things to avoid correctable error situations.

1 - On tape is it possible to see the difference between an official signaling 1 or 2 throws with one hand? It seems as if most videos are filmed from the last row of the stands and are zoomed out so one can see about half of the court at one time so there would be no way to tell how many fingers the official is holding up.

2 - Miscommunications also occur when an official signals the correct number of throws yet says the wrong number. There is no way that will show up on the video tape.

It seems as if a lot of people on this forum are overly concerned with video tapes not being able to prove that they didn't make a mistake. If someone thinks you made a mistake then it is up to them to actually show the mistake. If you said and signaled the correct number of throws then you have nothing to worry about, the video will not disprove you. You don't need to worry that maybe your signal didn't show up on the video.

What? Yea I usually hold up 2 fingers and say ahhhh right boys we got one shot here.. c'mon man

Well you must be pretty bad if you do it every time.

Outside of your bubble officials sometimes say one number and signal a different number. Sometimes the official says and signals the correct number but a player believes the official said a different number.

Glance at the table to check for subs??

This 1st year has experimented and learned you do what works
 

Depends on the level. If all you call is varsity or higher, okay. But as a first year official my schedule was made up of middle school, frosh & JV. I found if I verbalized just "Let it hit" or "Rest" at these levels, it will help cut down on lane violations. As this season has progressed (and presumably the players have gotten better), I find myself saying it less and less, and just going with "One" or "Two" or whatever number we're shooting while making eye contact with the table and my partner (2 man).



I thought I was the only one that did this?! Except I don't use the classic 1-&-1 signal at the end (see below). I used the hold-the-ball-between-your-arms method for most of the season before switching to the Hook'em Horns. Of course, I'll also verbalize it, loudly. Again, at the MS/Frosh/JV level, I found the bounce method was way too short. I like to hold my hand signal up for a good 2-3 seconds so ALL the players, the table and my partner know what we're doing. The split second of a bounce is just too short for the attention span of younger players.

Also, I don't do anything after bouncing the ball to the shooter. Everyone's eyes naturally follow the ball, including the players on the lane, the table, the spectators, etc. So it feels pointless to make a signal when no one's watching; but before I bounce, I have the ball - so all those eyes are on me and that's the best time to communicate what we have.

Interesting thread.

Message From The International Union Of Trail Officials ...
 

Isn't that the trail's job?

Why would the Lead not look at the table for subs? Aren't they the ones that administering the ball and need to know also if someone is eligible to come in the game? And considering the Trial's responsibility in 2 Person, they have their back to the table.

Peace

The Land Of Two Person Officiating, IAABO Two Person Officiating ...
 

Sorry. I forgot to mention that, here in the Constitution State, we're 100% IAABO, and after switching, the new trail is always opposite the table when free throws will ensue.

Still even if that is the case, I still will look at the table for subs as the Lead official and I do not work 2 Person at all in the season. I think it is good teamwork officiating to do so. Because if we miss a sub, we all are going to be held responsible. It is the Trail's responsibility first, but the crews responsibility to know as well.

Peace

Pick A Prize From The Top Shelf ...
 

JRutledge: You are correct. After your previous post in this thread, I checked my trusty IAABO Mechanics Manual, and it is the responsibility of both officials to check to table.

I have game announcers who have announced the wrong number of shots correct themselves when I give the signal to the table. Also have had coaches notice my signal to the table.

Not all eyes are fixated on the shooter.

Well considering that I am not an IAABO member and did not comment based on those sets of mechanics, this has always been taught to me and something I really learned in an ACC game where a sub was not properly brought in after FT late in a game. Well the sub was not made and I believe the team on defense could not bring in a sub to defend or a chance to defend a last second shot. The entire crew got suspended for a couple of games and fined. I learned that even if you are not listed as "responsible" by the book, you need to not just pass the buck to your partner as it still may be something you will notice. Partners get distracted or in many cases with subs where they sit in front of the table can make it easy to miss. I am not saying to only watch for this as Lead, but what is the harm to take a glance?

Peace

When a coach sends a sub to the table late, especially if subs have already been brought in, the Lead is the only one who can see it and the Trail is often observing the players to make sure there are 5 & 5 on the court. Why wait for the Trail? I work in a lot of gyms where the table is not very good at hitting the horn for subs. I know I've been the Trail quite often and the Lead is the one who alerted me to the fact there is a sub at the table.

Me too, that is why all of us should have some knowledge at some point. ;)

Peace

The post I was replying to about not looking at the table as you give 1 and 1 signal is because that person said he did that as he was backing out of the lane. This would infer that he has already bounced the ball to the shooter. Subs at the table are inconsequential at this point. Once the shooter has the ball we are not going to bring them into the game.

In Ontario we often have many players flipping back and forth between FIBA and Federation rule sets. Early in the game if I deem necessary I may remind people in a FED game " once it hits in high school ball." In FIBA, you are allowed to enter on release so many of the players get confused.

Exactly. I won't bring the sub in, but I'll call out my partner's name and alert him so he can bring the sub in. I'm standing in the middle of the lane with the ball -- what else is going to happen at that particular moment? I always take a glance.

Yep, me too.

I also tell throwers-in what type of throw-in it is, a backcourt or frontcourt throw-in, and after a timeout, an end line or spot throw-in.

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FIBA rules, this matters.

Système International D'Unités ...
 

Metric basketball.

Just like the NBA, FIBA does not allow frontcourt throw-ins to be thrown into the backcourt (save for the final two minutes of the 4th/OT in the NBA).

Ah. Thanks, all.