What do you have (block/charge)?
 

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Me, I have a no call on the first (if no travel), and a charge on the second.

edit to add: IMO, no way you could call a defensive foul on the first one, its a charge or no call.

Charge and charge.

PC on both. Great defense on the first one and substantial contact to the torso, IMO.

charge, no call, charge, charge, charge, charge.

It's amazing how similar to each other the first three plays are, and how similar the last three plays are. ;)

Reminds me of the movie where one guy convinces a gullible guy to bet on the replay of a soccer goal and convinces him it's a new play.

1. That first play is a technically a travel - but it's the kind that doesn't get called on the men's side very often, in my limited experience of watching that side.

2. PC. Great defense and great call in an intense spot in the game. Wow.

2nd one, obvious.

1st one looked embellished. Not sure that contact moved the defender as much as the defender made it look. He was going down no matter how much contact there was. It was close and from some angles it could look like a charge but I don't think I'd have a whistle on that one.

1. Travel that I would have missed but would have called a charge.
2. Charge

I think we (officials in general, not necessarily you guys) penalize the defense way too much

I def have a charge in number two, I actually was watching that live and rewound it to slow it down to take a second look.

The first looks like a no-call in every angle except for the camera on the floor in the leads corner. I sometimes struggle with this play, especially in situations like this. The offensive player has clearly tried to spin away from contact and the defense and the defensive players goal is clearly to draw the charge and not necessarily defend the rim. That said I also understand the argument of not penalizing the defense.

I am obviously a KU fan. I also missed the entire KU/MU game due to the fact that my own game that night tipped off at the exact same time that the KU/MU game did. Knowing that they lost and how they lost it (giving up an 11-0 run to end the game), I haven't had the heart to go watch highlights so this is the first footage I've seen from the game. I had heard quite a bit of grumbling from KU nation regarding the charge calls at the end of the game.

That being said, I'm not sure why people are pissing and moaning. Two pretty clear PC's in my opinion. *sigh*

Oh well, I didn't figure KU could pull this one out on the road anyways.

Both plays look like PC to me in live action. I can see maybe, from other angles, the second being a no-call. It looks to me like he went through the defender's space, including contact with the defender, so I'm not inclined to ignore it even if the defender started his reaction a bit early.

IMO the travel was after the contact on that first play, too.

Yes, you're right. Spin move, replanted pivot. Again, I think because I'm told to look at the contact on the play, I never watched the feet.

As many of you know my Dear Mother is an KU alumus and I am a KU basketball fan and so my calls in both plays would have been:

CHARGE!! and CHARGE!!

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I know that isn't KU blue but is the best I could do. :(
I think the first one by the C was a great call and the second one was
an even easier one to make.

Charge and Charge.

No call and Charge.

PC and PC. That's without looking at the pivot feet.

PC fouls on both!!!

Peace

Full Disclosure - I am a KU fan and will be at the KU-Baylor game Wednesday.
(This year I got tickets early enough for the family to sit together. Mrs. SamIAm will appreciate that.)

Look at C's location when the contact occurs. Next to Mr. Self, and looking through two players. Regardless, from there it probably looked like a charge to the both C and Mr. Self as Mr. Self did not seem to complain.

Don Daily (the calling official on both plays) got it right BOTH times....charge and charge.

There certainly was contact that created an advantage in both plays, so....

Ask yourself this question: "what did the defender do that was illegal?" OR "which player was responsible for/created the contact?"

If you know who the C was on that play, you'd know that he doesn't look thru many players, especially guards out on the perimeter. ;)

I've got a no call on the first one and a charge on #2.

I challenge those of you saying "no call" for the first play to go look at it again and find the pivot foot.

They're saying no call in regards to the OP's question...block or charge. And that type of "technical" travel is not really called at that level.

And for the record, I'm punching it in both plays.

I know no one will want to subject themselves to this cesspool, but KU's message board is hilarious to read. So much stupidity and complete lack of rules knowledge about these two plays.

It consistently is, and has been hammered as POE since I bought my first NCAA book - just not on that side.;)

Okay, at the major Division I men's basketball level, the technical travel on a lot of spins moves is no called quite a bit (in my observation). ;)

I no-call the first one. But, the floor angle from the lead's side makes me question my initial reaction because the contact was more significant than I thought live. But, to be honest, I would have probably no called this live.

The 2nd is a charge. Great defense and outstanding call.

I think the first one is a PC but not from C's vantage point. The contact that was made was away from the C but easily seen by the Lead. So I would say it was the correct call but by the wrong official.

On play #1, there's a travel at the beginning of the drive for not releasing the ball before the pivot foot is lifted, and I think there's a travel at the end of the drive as well for the pivot foot establishing a new point of contact with the floor prior to release. However, that may have occurred after the illegal contact.

For some reason, YouTube has been choppy this morning, so I didn't get the best look.

Finger Malfunction ...
 

That's because everyone was looking on YouTube for MIA giving everyone in the United States the finger.

Billy:

I resemble that remark. LOL

And speaking of resembling that remark, Junior and I were officiating a boys' 10U game last Saturday morning when someone in the stands yelled at me if I had a grandson playing for the other team. Junior and I couldn't stop laughing.

MTD, Sr.