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stiffler3492 Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:53pm

Off Ball Foul, Basket Counts?
 
NCAA M rules. Team A has a 2 on 1 fast break. A1 dishes off to A2 and B1 slides over to try and draw a charge from A1. The official calls a block on B1 as A2 scores a layup. He counts the basket and gives the ball to A.

Does the ball have to be in the air in order for the basket to count? Or is the act of shooting good enough?

JRutledge Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:01am

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 819227)
NCAA M rules. Team A has a 2 on 1 fast break. A1 dishes off to A2 and B1 slides over to try and draw a charge from A1. The official calls a block on B1 as A2 scores a layup. He counts the basket and gives the ball to A.

Does the ball have to be in the air in order for the basket to count? Or is the act of shooting good enough?

Continuous motion applies to all defensive fouls or fouls against the team with the ball. It does not matter if they have the ball. So once the motion starts the player should be allowed to finish the shot.

Peace

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:55am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 819229)
Continuous motion applies to all defensive fouls or fouls against the team with the ball. It does not matter if they have the ball. So once the motion starts the player should be allowed to finish the shot.

Peace


Rut:

Don't you mean all defensive fouls whether or not the offensive player with the ball is the offensive player fouled?

MTD, Sr.

JRutledge Thu Feb 02, 2012 01:04am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 819248)
Rut:

Don't you mean all defensive fouls whether or not the offensive player with the ball is the offensive player fouled?

MTD, Sr.

Yes. All fouls called on B. ;)

Peace

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Feb 02, 2012 01:07am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 819253)
Yes. All fouls called on B. ;)

Peace


Its too early in the for us to be thinking deep thoughts. LOL

MTD, Sr.

JRutledge Thu Feb 02, 2012 01:09am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 819254)
Its too early in the for us to be thinking deep thoughts. LOL

MTD, Sr.

Yep.

Peace

Scrapper1 Thu Feb 02, 2012 08:23am

Same as the high school rule.

Cobra Thu Feb 02, 2012 03:44pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 819227)
NCAA M rules. Team A has a 2 on 1 fast break. A1 dishes off to A2 and B1 slides over to try and draw a charge from A1. The official calls a block on B1 as A2 scores a layup. He counts the basket and gives the ball to A.

Does the ball have to be in the air in order for the basket to count? Or is the act of shooting good enough?

Check out the definition of continuous motion.

JRutledge Thu Feb 02, 2012 03:48pm

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Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 819492)
Check out the definition of continuous motion.

He likely does not work college ball, so that is why he was asking a question about college. He probably does not have access to a rulebook at that level. ;)

Peace

silverpie Thu Feb 02, 2012 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 819494)
He likely does not work college ball, so that is why he was asking a question about college. He probably does not have access to a rulebook at that level. ;)

Peace

NCAA rulebooks are available free!

NCAA Publications - 2011-2013 Men's & Women's Basketball Rule Book (2 Year Publication)

JRutledge Thu Feb 02, 2012 05:22pm

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Originally Posted by silverpie (Post 819497)

That was not the point. He is not a college official and if he was it would be sent to him like everyone I know that has to be signed up to Arbiter.

People have rulebook access to NF Rules and still ask questions about those rules. We do not tell people to look those rules up do we? We give them an answer in practically every case. And I would not expect someone to look up college rule as easily as they look up the NF Rules.

Peace

stiffler3492 Thu Feb 02, 2012 05:28pm

I actually do have the NCAA rulebook in PDF format on my PC. I don't have the casebook, though, and I figured it would be a case play.

APG Thu Feb 02, 2012 05:33pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 819528)
I actually do have the NCAA rulebook in PDF format on my PC. I don't have the casebook, though, and I figured it would be a case play.

The case book is freely available in PDF format as well.

Cobra Thu Feb 02, 2012 05:38pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 819494)
He likely does not work college ball, so that is why he was asking a question about college. He probably does not have access to a rulebook at that level. ;)

Peace

But the continuous motion rule is the same under NBA, FIBA, NCAA, and NFHS rules. There is no need to have an NCAA rule book to understand the concept.

JRutledge Thu Feb 02, 2012 05:43pm

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Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 819532)
But the continuous motion rule is the same under NBA, FIBA, NCAA, and NFHS rules. There is no need to have an NCAA rule book to understand the concept.

The wording is not exactly the same and unless you work that level you might not realize how much the same they are. There are some rules differences and people assume a lot of those differences based on things they see. So you cannot go look in the NF Rulebook and automatically say someone should read the book and it applies to all other levels. Also the NF has more wording and 2 extra articles to describe their rule.

Peace


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