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Back In The Saddle Thu May 22, 2003 01:41pm

I'm off to my first camp tomorrow. It's a HS camp, and will be attended by all three assocation presidents in the state. I'm going for the instruction, not so much to be seen. But, I want to do well and make the most of the opportunity.

Any advice?

Dan_ref Thu May 22, 2003 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm off to my first camp tomorrow. It's a HS camp, and will be attended by all three assocation presidents in the state. I'm going for the instruction, not so much to be seen. But, I want to do well and make the most of the opportunity.

Any advice?

Be open to advice & criticism. You'll get many people telling you what to do, not all agreeing. Don't argue with the evaluators. Do not even think of a sentence beginning with "Yeah but I..." or "Yeah but he said...". Try and incorporate what you're being told during the next game. Keep what works for you. Hustle and work hard. Ask lots of questions. Relax. Have fun.

AK ref SE Thu May 22, 2003 02:12pm

Have fun-
Work Hard-
Be open to feedback-

Good Luck

AK ref SE

stripes Thu May 22, 2003 02:46pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm off to my first camp tomorrow. It's a HS camp, and will be attended by all three assocation presidents in the state. I'm going for the instruction, not so much to be seen. But, I want to do well and make the most of the opportunity.

Any advice?

Offer to buy the evaluators dinner, especially the thin, bald ones. :D

JRutledge Thu May 22, 2003 02:50pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm off to my first camp tomorrow. It's a HS camp, and will be attended by all three assocation presidents in the state. I'm going for the instruction, not so much to be seen. But, I want to do well and make the most of the opportunity.

Any advice?

1. Call you primary

2. Listen to evaluators--Act like you agree with their advice.

3. Set goals for the camp--For example, you want to get hired or you want to just improve.

4. Most of all, have fun--If you cannot do this, you should not be out there. :D

Peace

rockyroad Thu May 22, 2003 03:24pm

The most important mechanic for camps is this one - nod your head up and down several times while saying "Yes, I understand"...remember that one when speaking with the evaluators and you will be fine!

DrakeM Thu May 22, 2003 03:25pm

Offer to buy the evaluators dinner, especially the thin, bald ones. :D [/B][/QUOTE]

-with bad feet. ;)

mick Thu May 22, 2003 03:47pm

Absolutely.
 
Nodding is mandatory.
Nodding with your mouth closed is beneficial.
Have some fun! :)

mick Thu May 22, 2003 03:53pm

First camp.
 
Also, bring a big gym bag of humility.

stripes Thu May 22, 2003 04:07pm

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Originally posted by DrakeM
Offer to buy the evaluators dinner, especially the thin, bald ones. :D
-with bad feet. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

Offer to buy that one drinks too. :cool:

JRutledge Thu May 22, 2003 07:27pm

I forgot one.
 
If you do not do anything right, you better sure hustle. You can do many things wrong, you might just be rewarded because you huslted a little.

Peace

ChuckElias Fri May 23, 2003 07:43am

BITS, I just found this quote today. It sort of relates to what others have said. Take it for what it's worth. . .

Quote:

"In order to reach our full potential to learn, we must accept and then transform anxiety and fear, relentlessly seeking accurate information on our performance. What used to be perceived as criticism now becomes a gift for constructive growth."
--Michael Gelb and Tony Buzan
Good luck. Have a great camp!

wizard Fri May 23, 2003 08:11am

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm off to my first camp tomorrow.
BITS,
Please give us the post camp wrap up. I especially will be interested in what it was like. I'm off to my first as well at Miami (OH) University in late June.

Back In The Saddle Fri May 23, 2003 09:54am

BITS is nodding his head, listening carefully to the advice given, definitely not answering with "Yeah, but...," and looking forward to the experience.

Thank you, everyone. I will report back on how it went.

As for the thin, bald evaluators...do you think they prefer Mexican or Italian? ;)

stripes Fri May 23, 2003 10:55am

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
BITS is nodding his head, listening carefully to the advice given, definitely not answering with "Yeah, but...," and looking forward to the experience.

Thank you, everyone. I will report back on how it went.

As for the thin, bald evaluators...do you think they prefer Mexican or Italian? ;)

In Utah, definitely the Italian. :cool: See you there. Be sure to introduce yourself, I might be late getting there.

fletch_irwin_m Fri May 23, 2003 12:04pm

I have a different idea
 
How to win friends and influence evaluators:

1. Interrupt your evaluator as soon as he/she disagrees with something you did.
2. Start every sentence with "I know but...."
3. Keep your shirt untucked, it is cooler that way.
4. Wear white shoes
5. Never rotate in a 3 - person crew, because you may screw up the other two people
6. Hang out with the "guys" everynight until the wee hours of the morning and consume lots of alcohol.
7. Find an evaluator you like and whenever you are not on a game find them and follow them around. This gives you a great opportunity to critique other officials and demonstrate your superior knowledge.
8. Start every pre game with "I hope you two are better then the last group they stuck me with"
9. Pace yourself. If you go all out early you may not have a lot left for the rest of your games.
10. This is a great opportunity for you to work on those clever NBA mechanics.

Back In The Saddle Sat May 24, 2003 12:46am

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Originally posted by stripes
Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
BITS is nodding his head, listening carefully to the advice given, definitely not answering with "Yeah, but...," and looking forward to the experience.

Thank you, everyone. I will report back on how it went.

As for the thin, bald evaluators...do you think they prefer Mexican or Italian? ;)

In Utah, definitely the Italian. :cool: See you there. Be sure to introduce yourself, I might be late getting there.

I looked for you today, but didn't see you. I'm in Daren Jackson's group (group 4, I believe). Was at Bell in the a.m., and Laker Gym in the p.m. You working Anchor Gym or the Riverdale Rec? Hopefully I'll run into you tomorrow.

Is there any good Italian in Ogden?

Back In The Saddle Sun May 25, 2003 09:41pm

Post camp report
 
Just one word...Wow!

What a great experience. Thank you, everyone, for your great advice. It all helped, a lot. I nodded a lot, and listened a lot...and learned a lot!

Thanks, Jeff, for the reminder to hustle. Good hustle definitely got me noticed. And I overheard the evaluators commenting on others who did not hustle.

Wizard, I don't know if your camp will be the same, but here's what happened. On the first day, we met together and listened to a few speakers. They focused mostly on the stuff you need to know to be a good official. Very worthwhile stuff, especially with me being a newbie and all.

Then they broke us into groups that worked together for the rest of the camp. The camp was spread over several sites, and so we travelled from site to site to be seen by each evaluator. At half time and after each game, an evaluator would take us aside and discuss what they saw that was good, and things to work on. We got a written copy of the eval. It was all handled very well, and very positively. I came away from each one feeling good and excited to try what they suggested.

One big benefit of the groups is that we got to know each other, and I was able to talk to the veterans (which was everybody in the group except me ;)) when I wasn't working. They had a lot of good stuff for me as well.

One thing that helped is that when we all introduced ourselves, I clearly stated that I was brand new to officiating. I have worked six months, actually, but close enough. I found that everybody was very helpful, and I was generally perceived as being more proficient than they expected.

One thing I wish I had paid a more attention to was hydration. It's summer and most of the gyms I worked were very hot. I fatigued my first day because I didn't have enough water and gatorade. I fixed that the second day, and the results were much better.

One thing that was hard for me was being aware of being evaluated. The first day especially, I was constantly reminding myself to "work my game" and ignore the evaluators. One of the veterans suggested that I let the stress drive me to do my best, but not to focus on it. Good advice.

I got to meet our friend, stripes. When I originally met him online, I met him under his real name. So I spent the whole time looking for two different people, before he helped me figure it out. :)

I'm pleased to report that I evaluated very well. Almost universally the evaluators were shocked when they found out I was a rookie. Considering all of the banter here, I had to try not to smile when several of them told me I had good "presence." :D Many of the things I learned here were noticed.

I was able to incorporate some changes recommended by my first evaluator, before I was seen by my last evaluator. I think I've made a good first impression. And I've got a list of things to work on before the next camp in June. :)

Thank you again, everyone!

mick Mon May 26, 2003 07:31am

Re: Post camp report
 
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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Just one word...Wow!


Ya pays yer money.
Ya takes yer chances.
... An "Attaboy" to you.

ChuckElias Mon May 26, 2003 08:04am

Big thumbs-up, BITS! Good for you. Build on it in June. Good luck.

JRutledge Mon May 26, 2003 11:17am

Glad you had fun.
 
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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle


Thanks, Jeff, for the reminder to hustle. Good hustle definitely got me noticed. And I overheard the evaluators commenting on others who did not hustle.


Glad to see my advice helped. :D

Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle


I'm pleased to report that I evaluated very well. Almost universally the evaluators were shocked when they found out I was a rookie. Considering all of the banter here, I had to try not to smile when several of them told me I had good "presence." :D Many of the things I learned here were noticed.


You actually mean that officials in a different part of the country, actually believe in "presence" besides me on this board. How could that have happen? :D

Other than that, glad to see you had fun. If you do not mind me asking, what was the name of this camp and where is it located? Also what kind of camp was it? Was it just a camp for learning or did it have an evaluation aspect to it?

Peace

Back In The Saddle Mon May 26, 2003 02:59pm

Re: Glad you had fun.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
If you do not mind me asking, what was the name of this camp and where is it located? Also what kind of camp was it? Was it just a camp for learning or did it have an evaluation aspect to it?
It was a high school camp, run by the Northern Utah Basketball Officials Association in Ogden, Utah. I think it's mostly geared toward allowing the state assigners to evaluate officials hoping to move up to do Varsity. There was an evaluation aspect to it, but only for high school assignments, I think. Although there were a few college officials who were doing the evaluating.


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