BYU/St. Mary's

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I did see the piece. I still take issue with any sort of "statistics" claiming that black athletes are suspended at a higher rate for honor code violations than white athletes.

I take issue with it because there's no way to even have that information. BYU doesn't release that kind of information, so they're going off a bunch of interviews with former players. Hardly seems scientific at all. And so it really is all hearsay, which is fine. Let's just not pretend that the opinions being formed in this thread about BYU's Honor Code practices are somehow based on fact. They're not. They're based on innuendo.

I did not make the claim about this policy really, I said that if they are going to be worried about something they should worry about suspending kids for actions with the honor code, not a fan and their actions. That was a joke and just like people make jokes about other religious institutions for their lack of consistency or hypocrisy they show as well. As an official usually the most profane or out of control individuals I see come from the religious schools. So yes their policies can and will be questioned. That being said I think there was a little more to the ESPN story than hearsay. Just like a source gives a reporter some information as to some data that they have access to. The story was a little more than someone giving what they thought.

Originally Posted by fiasco

One of the biggest issues here is that Brandon Davies confessed what he had done to his coach and, IIRC, his ecclesiastical leader. Of course there are going to be a lot of students (white or not, athlete or not) who get away with stuff, because they don't do what Davies had the conviction to do -- admit that he had broken the Honor Code to his leader. Making an apples-to-apples comparison of the Davies case and those kinds of people who intentionally break the rules and try to get away with it and saying there's some sort of injustice going on is just plain stupid.

Yes he did confess, but there was also a part of the report that he was accused of doing this based on some other information. Also it was said that there were people trying to "catch" students in violation and having fellow students tell on each other. He did confess, but it was said he was hounded to find a violation. And it does appear that there are some reports they do not apply the rule evenly. I do not claim to know, but if any of that is true then they have the right to be criticized for their policy and application of that policy. Just like any other issue would be up for scrutiny at any other institution, public or private.

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