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Adam Thu Jan 26, 2012 02:39pm

Another First
 
Double free throw violation. B1 steps in as the shot is released, and the shot misses the rim. Second of two FTs.

tref Thu Jan 26, 2012 02:46pm

Easy way out could be disconcertion on B1.

Toren Thu Jan 26, 2012 02:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 816926)
Double free throw violation. B1 steps in as the shot is released, and the shot misses the rim. Second of two FTs.

Is there more?

Adam Thu Jan 26, 2012 02:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 816927)
Easy way out could be disconcertion on B1.

Thought about it, but couldn't justify it. He didn't enter until the ball was out of the shooter's hand. We called a few lane violations.

Gotta love MS boys.

tref Thu Jan 26, 2012 02:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 816929)
Thought about it, but couldn't justify it. He didn't enter until the ball was out of the shooter's hand. We called a few lane violations.

Gotta love MS boys.

What about the follow through :D

Check the Comment under 9.1.3 Situation H when you have a moment.

rockyroad Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 816933)
What about the follow through :D

Check the Comment under 9.1.3 Situation H when you have a moment.

He said he thought about it. Isn't that what "consider" means?

Adam Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 816933)
What about the follow through :D

Check the Comment under 9.1.3 Situation H when you have a moment.

Yeah, I don't call fouls when the follow through wrist is hit, either. :D

tref Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:08pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 816935)
He said he thought about it. Isn't that what "consider" means?

He also said, "but couldnt justify it" I was just saying it "could be" by rule.
If that is okay by you??


*NOTE: The bolded text in his quote related to the bolded text in my answer.

Adam Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 816938)
He also said, "but couldnt justify it" I was just saying it "could be" by rule.
If that is okay by you??


*NOTE: The bolded text in his quote related to the bolded text in my answer.

As rocky noted, I thought about it and the case play. I couldn't justify it becauase the shot was gone when he stepped in. I've called disconcertion, but never when the shot was released prior to the offending act.

Adam Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 816928)
Is there more?

We went to the arrow.

tref Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:19pm

From a game management standpoint, hopefully the arrow was pointing the other way?

If not, I'm sure Team B would've prefered giving up an extra FT as opposed to the chance for a 4 or 5 point play.

Toren Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:29pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 816942)
We went to the arrow.

+1

I pretty much knew you had it correct, since you pointed out it was the 2nd of 2 free throws, I just wanted to have you spell it out for those that were interested.

Adam Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 816953)
+1

I pretty much knew you had it correct, since you pointed out it was the 2nd of 2 free throws, I just wanted to have you spell it out for those that were interested.

I thought I'd pause for effect.

Adam Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 816945)
From a game management standpoint, hopefully the arrow was pointing the other way?

If not, I'm sure Team B would've prefered giving up an extra FT as opposed to the chance for a 4 or 5 point play.

It wasn't that big a deal; just told the coaches what the rule was, and they were both fine with it. It was an odd enough situation that I took a moment to explain it to them. It ended up being B's ball, but explaining the arrow is the rule would have soothed the issue if it went to A.

Camron Rust Thu Jan 26, 2012 03:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 816945)
From a game management standpoint, hopefully the arrow was pointing the other way?

If not, I'm sure Team B would've prefered giving up an extra FT as opposed to the chance for a 4 or 5 point play.

Why should that matter. If B wanted the best outcome, they wouldn't have violated. In that case, they'd get the ball AND keep the arrow.

tref Thu Jan 26, 2012 04:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 816959)
Why should that matter. If B wanted the best outcome, they wouldn't have violated. In that case, they'd get the ball AND keep the arrow.

True story! Just looking at the big picture. Sorta like when a ticky tack foul is called for a passer on a wide open dunk.

mbyron Thu Jan 26, 2012 04:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 816955)
I thought I'd pause for effect.

Drama queen?

Adam Thu Jan 26, 2012 04:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 816974)
Drama queen?

You cut me so deep.

rockyroad Thu Jan 26, 2012 05:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 816938)
He also said, "but couldnt justify it" I was just saying it "could be" by rule.
If that is okay by you??


*NOTE: The bolded text in his quote related to the bolded text in my answer.

Sure, it's okay by me.

bainsey Thu Jan 26, 2012 05:48pm

I've had this a few times, including a few weeks ago. (Yes, middle school boys.)

I'm the L, administering, A-1 shooting. B-2 steps in early, my arm is out for the delay. Shot hits nothing but floor, double tweet, my partner and I look at each other.

Him (nodding): "Violation."
Me (shaking my head and smiling): "DOUBLE violation, #32 blue stepped in early. Which way is the arrow?"
He glances at the table, then points for B.
Me: "BLUE BALL!"
Before I administer the throw in, it hit me like a ton of bricks to signal held ball to the table. A little out of sequence, but we got it.


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