Foul inside 0.3 seconds...
 

I was in the stands at a closely contested B-V game this weekend. With 0.2 seconds on clock A1 inbounds ball under Team B basket to A2, ball is launched 85 feet and - swish! Ref signals no basket. The home crowd is livid. I sat there and shrugged, figuring I knew this particular rule. But it got me wondering - what if the player was fouled at the release? Would he be awarded 3 shots? This seems unlikely since A2 isn't making an attempt. How about no shots unless Team A is in Bonus? Help! Confused as always. Thanks in advance.
-Dave

It can't be a try with .3 or less, so it can't be a shooting foul.

Right, no shots if the team is not in the bonus.

5.2.5 SITUATION C: With three-tenths of a second or less left in a tied game,
each team is in the bonus. Team A has a throw-in on the end line near their basket.
A1 throws the ball to A5 on the near block who catches the ball and quickly
shoots. A5 is fouled by B3 just prior to the end-of-period signal. The ball goes
through A's basket. RULING: Since A5 may not control the ball and attempt a try
with three-tenths of a second or less, A5 cannot score a goal and is not considered
in the act of shooting. However, B3's foul cannot be ignored and is considered
a common foul. A5 is awarded a one-and-one bonus free-throw situation
with the lane cleared. A5's free throw attempts will determine if the game is over
or if an overtime period is necessary. (4-41-6)

Thanks. I was almost sure of the answer, but there was a little crack of doubt.

But what if...
 

I've always wondered about this rule. Who's to say that NOBODY can get a catch-and-shoot off in .3 seconds?

What if it happened, and it was clear that the shot was away before buzzer. Obviously a rule is a rule, and we have to enforce said rules, but do you guys think the NFHS will revisit this at all?

The original rule (so I've been told) was based on a study by the NBA. If those guys can't catch-and-shoot in <.3, ....

Oh yeah -- I think the NCAA ruling on the play is slightly different -- as soon as the ball is caught, the half is over. No 1-and-1 FTs.

1. The rules determine what counts as a try and what counts as a goal, just as they define winning and losing.

2. No goal.

3. No.

No, it's a done deal. Somebody, somewhere, did a study and decided that was a reasonable amount. If they do clearly catch and shoot before the buzzer, blame it on human reaction time if it makes you feel better. This actually happens quite often. One of my favorite calls, waving off a "good" basket and listening to the fans scream about it.

The NBA did a study a while back and it was determined that the quickest a person could consistently catch and shoot was .3 seconds. And thus, their rule states that there must be .3 seconds on the clock for a catch and shoot.

NFHS (and NCAA I believe) has said that there must be more than .3 seconds for a catch and shoot.

Enough research was done before they did the rule, I don't expect them to change it.

If I recall my sports history correctly, the rule was based on an incident with Trent Tucker 20 years or so ago. The 0.3 second cut-off was not arbitrarily chosen, but rather was based on studies conducted in Europe.
-Dave

If this "happens quite often"...maybe it's time to do another study.

Not necessarily. Maybe just an indication that timers are slow at starting the clock.

Especially when the home team makes those shots. IJS

Really?

How many times per season do you have it happen in your games?

I had it once all last season, and so far not a single time this season.

Bingo.

The OP never mentioned if it was a catch or a tap. If the basket was scored on a tap, then it counts. By rule a player cannot catch and shoot with 0.3 or less.

Do you really think he "tapped" the ball 85 feet?:eek:

+1
I've never actually done it.

This season, I've only had one throw in with .3 or less.

What an exaggeration! Quite often? Not at all uncommon?

Okay, I have seen it happen on more than one occasion. One thing about it, whether they know it or not, there is no pressure on the timer in this situation. A tip: It counts. A catch: Period over.

I have never seen it happen. I think it depends on what you have seen in your experience.

Peace

I know I waved off a basket that I would have counted on at least two occasions because of this.

Also, at one of my son's jr. high games, the clock showed .3, the opponents caught and shot a 3, and it originally was signaled good. Only time in my life I screamed a rule across the court as a spectator. The coach questioned, and the call was reversed.