Today We Will Not . . .

BillyMac

just another ref wrote
When in China, it is best to speak Chinese.

Good luck with that. When in China, you had better be able to speak Mandarin, Wu, Cantonese, or Min, or you're not going to get very far. In fact, English will probably serve you better than Chinese, a lot better.

BillyMac

Freddy: As you make changes to this work in progress, using suggestions from just another ref, Cobra, and any other Forum members, please be sure to eventually post your final draft.

Freddy

BillyMac wrote
Freddy: As you make changes to this work in progress, using suggestions from just another ref, Cobra, and any other Forum members, please be sure to eventually post your final draft.

See edited portions in italics as this is a "change as suggested changes are submitted" document.

silverpie

“In the event of a ‘pass and crash’, the L will stay with the crash and the lead will remain attentive to the pass.”

I thought the L was the lead‽

JugglingReferee

Excellent, Freddy! Thanks!

Camron Rust

silverpie wrote
“In the event of a ‘pass and crash’, the L will stay with the crash and the lead will remain attentive to the pass.”

I thought the L was the lead‽

And that is not the way we do it here....

Each official takes the half of the play closer to them. Pass to the lead's side, lead takes the pass while trial takes the crash. Pass to the trail's side, trail takes the pass while lead stays with the crash. This gives a lot better coverage than the lead trying to cover a pass to the trail's corner.

BillyMac

Camron Rust wrote
Each official takes the half of the play closer to them. Pass to the lead's side, lead takes the pass. Pass to the trail's side, trail takes the pass. Trail does the opposite. This gives a lot better coverage than the lead trying to cover a pass to the trail's corner.

Sounds like what we do. We stay in our primary for the pass, and the other official takes the crash in the lane.

Eastshire

Our association has been instructed that we are not to use the whistle to acknowledge subs because the horn does that just fine.

Freddy

Eastshire wrote
Our association has been instructed that we are not to use the whistle to acknowledge subs because the horn does that just fine.

Great point. Better do what your association requires in this instance.
Two observations from a former skeptic regarding this "whistle in the subs" thing, which is new in our state:
1) It has served to expedite substitutions a little better, especially in instances where the horn for subs isn't always as reliable as it should be; horn or no horn, players are getting into the habit of waiting for and regarding the whistle.
2) It also prompts the "that guy" partner to note that his partner has subs coming in and thus serves as an extra alert for him (sad that he even needs it, I know) to look at that official and regard his stop sign before making the ball live.
I didn't expect these beneficial outcomes, but am gratified to see them.
Skeptic won over.

Eastshire

Freddy wrote
Great point. Better do what your association requires in this instance.
Two observations from a former skeptic regarding this "whistle in the subs" thing, which is new in our state:
1) It has served to expedite substitutions a little better, especially in instances where the horn for subs isn't always as reliable as it should be; horn or no horn, players are getting into the habit of waiting for and regarding the whistle.
2) It also prompts the "that guy" partner to note that his partner has subs coming in and thus serves as an extra alert for him (sad that he even needs it, I know) to look at that official and regard his stop sign before making the ball live.
I didn't expect these beneficial outcomes, but am gratified to see them.
Skeptic won over.

Yeah, I prefer using the whistle for subs myself, but I'm just Roman, not a senator.

bob jenkins

Freddy wrote
Great point. Better do what your association requires in this instance.
Two observations from a former skeptic regarding this "whistle in the subs" thing, which is new in our state:
1) It has served to expedite substitutions a little better, especially in instances where the horn for subs isn't always as reliable as it should be; horn or no horn, players are getting into the habit of waiting for and regarding the whistle.
2) It also prompts the "that guy" partner to note that his partner has subs coming in and thus serves as an extra alert for him (sad that he even needs it, I know) to look at that official and regard his stop sign before making the ball live.
I didn't expect these beneficial outcomes, but am gratified to see them.
Skeptic won over.

Recently on the forum, we had some thread about a horn sounding (inadvertantly) during a live ball and a sub running on the court. If the subs get used to waiting for the whistle, that play is less likely to happen.

mbyron

bob jenkins wrote
Recently on the forum, we had some thread about a horn sounding (inadvertantly) during a live ball and a sub running on the court. If the subs get used to waiting for the whistle, that play is less likely to happen.

True. Too bad in Ohio we've been instructed to stop whistling in subs. 🙁

fullor30

mbyron wrote
True. Too bad in Ohio we've been instructed to stop whistling in subs. 🙁

Why?

Eastshire

fullor30 wrote
Why?

"Because referees are overusing the whistle and the horn is sufficient acknowledgement and notification of the pending substitution."

fiasco

Maybe add something about not using your whistle to signal the end of a quarter or end of the game when there's not a shot attempt pending? That's one of those little things that I see a lot of officials do that draws unnecessary attention. The horn is sufficient.

bainsey

Eastshire wrote
"Because referees are overusing the whistle and the horn is sufficient acknowledgement and notification of the pending substitution."

Hmmm, I always thought the horn was for us, and we took care of the subs.

bob jenkins

fiasco wrote
Maybe add something about not using your whistle to signal the end of a quarter or end of the game when there's not a shot attempt pending? That's one of those little things that I see a lot of officials do that draws unnecessary attention. The horn is sufficient.

Depends on the area.

fullor30

Eastshire wrote
"Because referees are overusing the whistle and the horn is sufficient acknowledgement and notification of the pending substitution."

What if they make a mistake? Two shot foul, subs at table, horn sounds and in they come, because they feel horn allows them to. I understand beckoning as horn sounds.

Not a good idea imo.

Welpe

fiasco wrote
Maybe add something about not using your whistle to signal the end of a quarter or end of the game when there's not a shot attempt pending? That's one of those little things that I see a lot of officials do that draws unnecessary attention. The horn is sufficient.

Maybe in your area, not here. A whistle is expected here.

Eastshire

fullor30 wrote
What if they make a mistake? Two shot foul, subs at table, horn sounds and in they come, because they feel horn allows them to. I understand beckoning as horn sounds.

Not a good idea imo.

Agreed, but the ways of Columbus are mysterious indeed.