Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 816213)

Great point. Better do what your association requires in this instance.
Two observations from a former skeptic regarding this "whistle in the subs" thing, which is new in our state:
1) It has served to expedite substitutions a little better, especially in instances where the horn for subs isn't always as reliable as it should be; horn or no horn, players are getting into the habit of waiting for and regarding the whistle.
2) It also prompts the "that guy" partner to note that his partner has subs coming in and thus serves as an extra alert for him (sad that he even needs it, I know) to look at that official and regard his stop sign before making the ball live.
I didn't expect these beneficial outcomes, but am gratified to see them.
Skeptic won over.

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 816213)

Great point. Better do what your association requires in this instance.
Two observations from a former skeptic regarding this "whistle in the subs" thing, which is new in our state:
1) It has served to expedite substitutions a little better, especially in instances where the horn for subs isn't always as reliable as it should be; horn or no horn, players are getting into the habit of waiting for and regarding the whistle.
2) It also prompts the "that guy" partner to note that his partner has subs coming in and thus serves as an extra alert for him (sad that he even needs it, I know) to look at that official and regard his stop sign before making the ball live.
I didn't expect these beneficial outcomes, but am gratified to see them.
Skeptic won over.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 816221)

Recently on the forum, we had some thread about a horn sounding (inadvertantly) during a live ball and a sub running on the court. If the subs get used to waiting for the whistle, that play is less likely to happen.

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 816240)

True. Too bad in Ohio we've been instructed to stop whistling in subs. :(

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 816299)

Why?

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 816301)

"Because referees are overusing the whistle and the horn is sufficient acknowledgement and notification of the pending substitution."

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 816304)

Maybe add something about not using your whistle to signal the end of a quarter or end of the game when there's not a shot attempt pending? That's one of those little things that I see a lot of officials do that draws unnecessary attention. The horn is sufficient.

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 816301)

"Because referees are overusing the whistle and the horn is sufficient acknowledgement and notification of the pending substitution."

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 816304)

Maybe add something about not using your whistle to signal the end of a quarter or end of the game when there's not a shot attempt pending? That's one of those little things that I see a lot of officials do that draws unnecessary attention. The horn is sufficient.

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 816310)

What if they make a mistake? Two shot foul, subs at table, horn sounds and in they come, because they feel horn allows them to. I understand beckoning as horn sounds.

Not a good idea imo.

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 816304)

Maybe add something about not using your whistle to signal the end of a quarter or end of the game when there's not a shot attempt pending? That's one of those little things that I see a lot of officials do that draws unnecessary attention. The horn is sufficient.