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[benbret]

NFHS Rules Girls Varsity Game. 4 minutes left in second quarter. A1 inbounds the ball to A2 in her backcourt with no pressure. A2 takes 2 or 3 dribbles and the horn sounds. A6 runs into the game as R who is table side tries to stop her. She goes by R and he stops the game. He puts her back in the sub zone and tells me to inbound the ball again. I motion A6 to come into the game but R will not allow it. I thought that no matter how the ball became dead A6 can then enter. Was R correct? Could you give a rule reference?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by benbret

NFHS Rules Girls Varsity Game. 4 minutes left in second quarter. A1 inbounds the ball to A2 in her backcourt with no pressure. A2 takes 2 or 3 dribbles and the horn sounds. A6 runs into the game as R who is table side tries to stop her. She goes by R and he stops the game. He puts her back in the sub zone and tells me to inbound the ball again. I motion A6 to come into the game but R will not allow it. I thought that no matter how the ball became dead A6 can then enter. Was R correct? Could you give a rule reference?

The correct way to handle this situation is to use NFHS R10-S2-A2. Charge A6 with a TF per the aforementiones rule and then allow A6 to remain in the game.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Charge A6 with a TF per the aforementioned rule.

What? And make her cry? Not in my game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by benbret

NFHS Rules Girls Varsity Game. 4 minutes left in second quarter. A1 inbounds the ball to A2 in her backcourt with no pressure. A2 takes 2 or 3 dribbles and the horn sounds. A6 runs into the game as R who is table side tries to stop her. She goes by R and he stops the game. He puts her back in the sub zone and tells me to inbound the ball again. I motion A6 to come into the game but R will not allow it. I thought that no matter how the ball became dead A6 can then enter. Was R correct? Could you give a rule reference?

Correct. Once the whistle is blown, it is a legal time to substitute.

Whether you call the T or not as Mark mentioned is a separate question but it would be correct by rule to do so.

[Adam]

Varsity game, no way I don't call this T.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Varsity game, no way I don't call this T.

Noted, and appreciated.

Around these parts, we always just send them back to the table, all the way back to the table, and once they're at the X, we signal to bring them in. Here, in my little corner of Connecticut, I have never seen this technical foul charged in a high school game in over thirty years. We never ignore it, we just never penalize it with a technical. It's just the way we do things around here. If one of us ever decided to do it, we would be accused of being overly officious.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Varsity game, no way I don't call this T.

Really? I disagree. This might happen (maybe) once in a game. Send them back to the table and they get the picture. In all honesty in a varsity game this might happen once or twice a season and the TF should not be the first action here.

The ball is dead, you have better ways to handle this.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

The ball is dead, you have better ways to handle this.

Now, if the kid runs in during a live ball, that's another story. Do we whack for not being beckoned, or for being a sixth man on the court? Or both?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Now, if the kid runs in during a live ball, that's another story. Do we whack for not being beckoned, or for being a sixth man on the court? Or both?

When he enters the court illegally, it causes the ball to become dead. He was never a sixth man on the court.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

Really? I disagree. This might happen (maybe) once in a game. Send them back to the table and they get the picture. In all honesty in a varsity game this might happen once or twice a season and the TF should not be the first action here.

The ball is dead, you have better ways to handle this.

Ball wasn't dead.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Ball wasn't dead.

Yes, I just reread. Live ball auto T.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Around these parts, we always just send them back to the table, all the way back to the table, and once they're at the X, we signal to bring them in. Here, in my little corner of Connecticut, I have never seen this technical foul charged in a high school game in over thirty years. We never ignore it, we just never penalize it with a technical. It's just the way we do things around here. If one of us ever decided to do it, we would be accused of being overly officious.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Ball wasn't dead.

Thanks just another ref.