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fullor30 Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:53am

I need closure
 
Several threads on this already I believe but perused a couple and couldn't find definitive answer.

Please list switch scenarios going long as it relates to C reporting foul.
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Dazed and confused.

Scrapper1 Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:07pm

These are all fouls called in the frontcourt and "going long".

C tableside calls foul + ball to be put in play tableside = C becomes C opposite table.

C tableside calls foul + ball to be put in play opposite table = C become New Lead opposite table.

C opposite table calls foul + ball to be put in play tableside = C remains C opposite table.

C opposite table calls foul + ball to be put in play opposite table = C becomes New Lead opposite table.

PG_Ref Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 814835)
Several threads on this already I believe but perused a couple and couldn't find definitive answer.

Please list switch scenarios going long as it relates to C reporting foul.
.
Dazed and confused.

NFHS Officials Manual

3.4.5 There is no switch under the following circumstances:

a. A foul in the backcourt going to the frontcourt with no free throws.
This is treated the same as a violation in the backcourt.
A "bump and run" may be necessary.

b. When the calling official is already the tableside trail.

c. When the tableside Center makes a call in which the ball will be taken out of bounds opposite the table staying in the frontcourt. This should be a rare situation, as this would likely be outside the Center's PCA.

fullor30 Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 814837)
These are all fouls called in the frontcourt and "going long".

C tableside calls foul + ball to be put in play tableside = C becomes C opposite table.

C tableside calls foul + ball to be put in play opposite table = C become New Lead opposite table.

C opposite table calls foul + ball to be put in play tableside = C remains C opposite table.

C opposite table calls foul + ball to be put in play opposite table = C becomes New Lead opposite table.

Perfect and precise

Thanks!

goofed last scenario last night, slid over as lead to opposite table and made C stay table side.

fullor30 Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PG_Ref (Post 814843)
NFHS Officials Manual

3.4.5 There is no switch under the following circumstances:

a. A foul in the backcourt going to the frontcourt with no free throws.
This is treated the same as a violation in the backcourt.
A "bump and run" may be necessary.

b. When the calling official is already the tableside trail.

As it only pertains to C was what was giving me brain fart.

tref Thu Jan 19, 2012 01:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 814844)
Perfect and precise

Thanks!

goofed last scenario last night, slid over as lead to opposite table and made C stay table side.

So you were tableside L before the whistle?

bob jenkins Thu Jan 19, 2012 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 814837)
These are all fouls called in the frontcourt and "going long".

C tableside calls foul + ball to be put in play tableside = C becomes C opposite table.

C tableside calls foul + ball to be put in play opposite table = C become New Lead opposite table.

C opposite table calls foul + ball to be put in play tableside = C remains C opposite table.

C opposite table calls foul + ball to be put in play opposite table = C becomes New Lead opposite table.

Not true, at least here (and where fullor30 works).

The old L / new T administers all throw-ins in the BC. The other officials just slide down the court but stay on their own side (table or opposite) to be C and L as required.

So,

1) C becomes L tableside ("bump and run")
2) C becomes C tableside
3) same as above
4) same as above ("bump and run")

rockyroad Thu Jan 19, 2012 02:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 814837)
These are all fouls called in the frontcourt and "going long".

C tableside calls foul + ball to be put in play tableside = C becomes C opposite table.

C tableside calls foul + ball to be put in play opposite table = C become New Lead opposite table.

C opposite table calls foul + ball to be put in play tableside = C remains C opposite table.

C opposite table calls foul + ball to be put in play opposite table = C becomes New Lead opposite table.

Scrapper,

Is this the NCAA-M mechanics?

Cause around here, we do HS games the way Bob posted (always listen to Bob).

tref Thu Jan 19, 2012 02:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 814905)
Not true, at least here (and where fullor30 works).

The old L / new T administers all throw-ins in the BC. The other officials just slide down the court but stay on their own side (table or opposite) to be C and L as required.

So,

1) C becomes L tableside ("bump and run")
2) C becomes C tableside
3) same as above
4) same as above ("bump and run")

The calling official doesnt go opposite when going long?

Indianaref Thu Jan 19, 2012 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 814844)
Perfect and precise

Not high school.

Indianaref Thu Jan 19, 2012 02:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 814905)
Not true, at least here (and where fullor30 works).

The old L / new T administers all throw-ins in the BC. The other officials just slide down the court but stay on their own side (table or opposite) to be C and L as required.

So,

1) C becomes L tableside ("bump and run")
2) C becomes C tableside
3) same as above
4) same as above ("bump and run")

Perfect and precise

bob jenkins Thu Jan 19, 2012 02:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 814909)
The calling official doesnt go opposite when going long?

No. It's treated just the same as a violation. Would you have the calling official go opposite on a travel call?

tref Thu Jan 19, 2012 02:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 814916)
No. It's treated just the same as a violation. Would you have the calling official go opposite on a travel call?

Nope, just goes to show how much things are different depending on where one officiates.
Here we go opposite after each call in HS like NCAA-M.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 19, 2012 02:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 814918)
Nope, just goes to show how much things are different depending on where one officiates.
Here we go opposite after each call in HS like NCAA-M.

I meant the question as something an official here should ask him/herself when trying to fiugre out where to go.

In general, the calling official goes tableside.

It's trumped by the "old L / new T administers all throwins in the BC" procedure.

tref Thu Jan 19, 2012 02:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 814922)
I meant the question as something an official here should ask him/herself when trying to fiugre out where to go.

In general, the calling official goes tableside.

It's trumped by the "old L / new T administers all throwins in the BC" procedure.

Got it. We have that procedure as well, its just that the calling official will never be the new tableside T.


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