Fed signal question

moose69

Ok everyone, answer me this!!1 Why when pointing direction in Fed ball are we not allowed to use the 2 finger point like we are in CCA mechanics?

inquiring minds wanna know..

Mark Padgett

By using the full hand to point, it is much easier to transition your pointing hand into the "T formation".

moose69

Ok..time for some serious answers.

lol.
TR

ChuckElias

Because the FED and NCAA men's rulesmakers are terrified that they will be perceived as "trying to be like the NBA". That's also why the team control foul signals are different in the NCAA men's and women's.

Matt S.

the people who evaluate me in Long Beach, CA are split on the 2-finger vs. full hand. I swear by the 2-finger point in my FED games-maybe becuase I do baseball as well, but more because I simply think it looks a helluva lot sharper than a full hand...crisp, clean, and professional.

Nevadaref

It depends which finger you're using! 😮

[Edited by Nevadaref on May 15th, 2003 at 05:53 AM]

Back In The Saddle

Since I have my first state association camp in about a week, I suppose I need to ask the silly, obvious question and get clarification...

So, in NFHS I am SUPPOSED to be pointing with the whole hand? I usually point with just my index finger, is that bad?

bob jenkins

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Since I have my first state association camp in about a week, I suppose I need to ask the silly, obvious question and get clarification...

So, in NFHS I am SUPPOSED to be pointing with the whole hand? I usually point with just my index finger, is that bad?

Yes. Yes.

ChuckElias

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
So, in NFHS I am SUPPOSED to be pointing with the whole hand?

Fully open hand. Thumb tucked into palm.

I usually point with just my index finger, is that bad?

Yup, you'll definitely catch some flak for that at camp. Index finger is for pros only (and maybe FIBA, who knows?).

Chuck

rainmaker

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Yup, you'll definitely catch some flak for that at camp. Index finger is for pros only (and maybe FIBA, who knows?).

When I had my picture in the paper last year, I was pointing with one finger. The very first thing my assignor said to me when I answered the phone was, "Why were you pointing with one finger?" Fortunately, my usually turtle-slow wit, kicked into high gear, and I replied, "A mom was asking where the bathroom was." I dodged the bullet, but I'm sure you get the point to the story.

NICK

Chuck, with FIBA- one clenched fist, the other hand palm down pointing to offender's waist.

Nevadaref

Originally posted by rainmaker
but I'm sure you get the POINT to the story.

We do now!!! 😀

mick

5,4,2

🙂

BktBallRef

Originally posted by NICK
Chuck, with FIBA- one clenched fist, the other hand palm down pointing to offender's waist.

You do this when the ball goes OOB? 😕

Back In The Saddle

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Originally posted by NICK
Chuck, with FIBA- one clenched fist, the other hand palm down pointing to offender's waist.

You do this when the ball goes OOB? 😕

New speed up rules. 5 OOB violations and you're out of the game. In preseason trials, games lasted an average of 32 minutes before everyone "fouled" out. Refs really liked it. 😀

A Dutch Ref

Under FIBA, we point with only our index finger... There are some dude's that use 2 fingers instead, but oficially it's only one (which I prefer).

ADR

NICK

Dutch ref, pointing with the index finger is personal, intimidating, confrontational and is not in the FIBA mechanics manual.

ChuckElias

Originally posted by NICK
Dutch ref, pointing with the index finger is personal, intimidating, confrontational

Nick, I think I would disagree with that. Why is it confrontational? It's the way almost everybody does in real life. I can't imagine how anyone could be intimidated by me pointing with one finger. (Dan can't imagine anyone being intimidated by me, period. 🙂 )

Why do you make that statement? I'm just trying to understand.

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Originally posted by NICK
Dutch ref, pointing with the index finger is personal, intimidating, confrontational

Nick, I think I would disagree with that. Why is it confrontational? It's the way almost everybody does in real life. I can't imagine how anyone could be intimidated by me pointing with one finger. (Dan can't imagine anyone being intimidated by me, period. 🙂 )

Why do you make that statement? I'm just trying to understand.

Chuck,when the NFHS first put in "bird dogging",they laid out the hand signal as palm down,pointing at the player's waist,etc. They also used the rationale,if I remember correctly,that they didn't want us pointing one finger right at someone for just about the same reasons that Nick listed above,except for maybe "intimidating".Also,if I remember right,"bird dogging" was put in as a direct result of the dumb rule that they had just put in that it was mandatory that a player raised his/her hand when they committed a foul.The "bird-dog" was used so that a player couldn't say that they didn't know that they were the one that had committed the foul.

ChuckElias

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
when the NFHS first put in "bird dogging",they laid out the hand signal as palm down,pointing at the player's waist,etc. They also used the rationale,if I remember correctly,that they didn't want us pointing one finger right at someone for just about the same reasons that Nick listed above

And I can see the reason for that, b/c you had to point at someone in particular. But in pointing direction after the ball goes OOB, you're not pointing at anybody. You're just saying "that way". I don't see how anybody would take offense at that.