Buzzer Beater or not?
 

Ok all,
Here's a buzzer beater or not scenario from Saturday in So Cal.Basket was ruled on the floor as no good-What say the esteemed members of this board? Note that the game is worked in three man which is a little unusual for a regular season contest in January.

Boys' basketball: Price defeats Serra when officials disallow basket - latimes.com

No basket. I think his left hand came off the ball before the buzzer, but his right hand was still on it.

It looked like it was in his hand to me.

The only thing I did not like was the way the basket was waved off. IMO it should have been waved off immediately. It just looks like he was thinking about it while running over to the table. Other than that it looks like he got it right.

Peace

Yeah and he left his partners on the floor while he bailed.

Here's a clip of the play slowed down:

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I agree that the C opposite didn't have to come across the court to signal the basket was no good...in fact at first, I thought he was going to his partner to ask if he had an opinion on the play.

Score it. The closest I could get to freeze-framing had one hand on, one off with clock showing 1 sec still. Next frame advance had release and zeros. If there were tenths of seconds on clock, I'm guessing replay would show ball released before zeros.

Dude was guessing. And if you're guessing, count it. According to scoreboard, would've sent game into overtime.

Must've had a real hot date or some special dinner waiting for him...

Are you a coach? Cause your last line is nothing other than a rat/coach thing to say.

Whatever call is made there is the right call. It's that close, especially without tenths on the clock. The only thing I agree on is that the covering official must call that right away.

Or maybe he just had the stones to make the right call. :rolleyes:

Good call, ball was still in the right hand when the buzzer went. As the others have said, I would prefer to see an immediate whistle. Why are the C's partners hanging around looking confused? Get off the floor!

Agree with the growing consensus: good call, bad mechanic.

Can't tell from the slo-mo, because there's no sound. On the real speed, I'd count it, but it's close.

Because they're wondering what the hell the C is going to call. I don't blame them at all.

First time watching it was on my iPod Touch. I waived it off.

Now watching it full screen on my desktop, I'm definitely counting it. I wonder if there wasn't an AV timing issue though, because I clearly had the buzzer sounding just after the ball hit the backboard.

Count it and let the excitement of overtime decide the winner!

OK but the L is still standing there after the C signals and the camera pans back to him.

Were it my call without replay, I would have counted the basket! Not saying the official was wrong, but that's my opinion.

Wow, either your vision or pc monitor is exceptional.

I saw the same thing. Not sure how good my computer is, but that is what I saw too.

Peace

I believe this is true. I believe you must have definite knowledge that a release was late.

When I looked at the embeded video, I was certain this was good, but after looking at the OP's link, I'm not so sure. The audio synchs on these uploads play a huge role in these discussions.

You guys with plenty of experience - does the score influence your decision on this? You would think that if it really is a 50/50 call, the one that would result in a tie would be favored. That way the kids can still decide the outcome?

When I saw this video last night I was wondering why the C comes all the way tableside to wave that basket off? We don't do a lot of three man out here until postseason but table crews know to watch the center for his/her count it/wave off signal.To me coming all the way over and pausing before waving it off insults the table crew's intelligence and eyesight.Unless you are going to ask for help give the wave off/count it signal,grab your jacket (shake hands with your table crew if situation allows) and get out.Does anyone think he left his partners in a precarious spot if there was a storming of the court? I thought at speed he barely got it away before the clock struck triple 0.

The score has no influence on any decision I make in these situations. I call what I see and I try to get into a best position to make the call appropriately. Not sure what you mean by "That way the kids decide the outcome." The kids are deciding the outcome, I am just making the right call to the best of my abilities.

Peace

No

Agreed. I'm not good enough to change my reactions based on the score.

+1

Emphatic NO. We do our jobs with what's in front of us, not what's behind us.

I think we all know what he means, and it's a naïve thought process.

In a close game, battled over 32 minutes, things we do will indeed affect the game's outcome. It could happen in the first half (and therefore go largely unnoticed) or in the last few minutes (and become under a microscope).

Human memory can only take on so much, but with so much minutia going on in a basketball game, when the final score is close, you can almost always look back and see that, if you called something differently, the result could have been different. Since most only remember the last part of a game, though, that's why we wind up with statements like, "the kids decide the outcome." In truth, though, there's a lot taking place in the totality of the game, and everyone on the floor plays a role. Like the players on the floor, we officials can only do our best.

Anyone got a travel on blue #50???

YU.P.

That's a travel. No basket.

That's what I saw the first time I watched it...then every time I watched the replay...call the travel, no basket.

good eyes rockyroad,
Didn't even look for the travel on that play! I just posted it mainly to get everyone's thoughts on how the center handled the wave-off.

If a team is down by a bunch, I'll be more likely to count it -- especially if it's the 12th man shooting.

If the score is +/- 10 or so, then I call what I see.

Yes, but I'm doubting that's going to get called even 10% of the time in this situation.

Seriously?

Why ( or more correctly why not?)

It's the correct call.

I have no idea what he means in this situation. Usually when people say that they are talking about not calling a foul or violation and even that is absurd to think that. I am just focusing on the call whether I got this call right, not trying to make a call that everyone is going to like. Someone is going to likely think you got it wrong even if you are totally right (look at the other close call posted recently).

Peace

Right. I believe he means, swallow the whistle, and it is absurd.

You have to tell everyone something either way in this situation. Not anything for you to swallow at this point.

Peace

I'd score the basket.

I think he means: IF the score is already tied, waive it off. If the blue team is behind by 2, count it. That way, the teams get to play some more, and maybe the officials won't have to make the hard decision 4 minutes later.

Lah me.

I just don't think this is a travel that gets caught that often and considering the focus on the clock and on making sure the crew doesn't miss a crucial foul -- I think it just gets missed. Nothing nefarious, certainly.

Gotcha...

Seems like a really, really obvious travel to me.

Wave the basket off and call the travel.

It wasn't to me until someone said something. Of course, I was *told* to watch for the buzzer beater, so I'm looking at the hands not the feet.

I was waiting to read all the responses to see if anybody else saw this.

You are obviously wise beyond your years. :D

That's a lot of years to be wise beyond...

How much "invoking" is this going to take?