Senior Moment?

SCalScoreKeeper

I had this happen in a game over break except instead of forgetting a number he reported it on the wrong kid.At the quarter break he came over and asked us to correct the previous foul.

mbyron

ddn wrote
If 42 had not fessed up, what could I have done? Just picked a white player? I've mixed numbers up when reporting, but this is the first that I've completely forgot - well, that I can remember 🙂

Remember that the table crew are also officials and may assist with officiating the game. Check with them, as they often know who committed the foul before you report it. As you say, sometimes a person simply saying "42" will jog your memory, at which point you can say, "right! 42 white!"

KJUmp

mbyron wrote
Remember that the table crew are also officials and may assist with officiating the game. Check with them, as they often know who committed the foul before you report it. As you say, sometimes a person simply saying "42" will jog your memory, at which point you can say, "right! 42 white!"

Regarding getting assistance from the table crew...
Under Fed rules are we allowed go the table to confirm that a shot went in? I couldn't find that specific situation covered in rule book or case book.

I messed up last week and had no idea if the ball went in when P asked me if the shot was good after he called a foul on a drive to the hoop in a BJV. Bad officiating on my part.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

ddn wrote
Last night, as L I had a foul on 42 white, 12 blue shooting two (it was a bit of a scrum under the basket on the shoot - boy's jv game. I go to the table to report and had no recollection at all on who the foul was on - they only thing that came to mind was "12". Went over to my partner, and he had no idea (this was a boy's jv game, 2 officials). The kids were lined up for the throw so I asked them "who'd I call that foul on". White 42 fessed up and the light went off and I remembered it was 42.

If 42 would not have fessed up, what could I have done? Just picked a white player? I've mixed numbers up when reporting, but this is the first that I've completely forgot - well, that I can remember 🙂

Eons ago, I remember telling me how he remembered numbers, he treated the fouler and fouler's numbers as a street number, in your case: 4212 (forty-two, twelve).

And now for a humorus story. A long time friend of mine who has been a multi-conference (including four power conferences) men's D-I official for over 20 years and has made it as least 3 rounds deep into the tournament for at least the last ten years is working a MAC game a few years (my wife and I were in attendence) called a foul, got to the Table and then realized he had forgot who had committed the foul and had to go back to the players and asked who committed the foul. It happens to the best of us and he is one of the best.

MTD, Sr.

ddn

Thanks for all the suggestions and advice everyone - I have a few new mental braces to go along w/ the calf, shin, and ankle wraps to add to my gear bag.... 😀

mbyron

KJUmp wrote
Regarding getting assistance from the table crew...
Under Fed rules are we allowed go the table to confirm that a shot went in? I couldn't find that specific situation covered in rule book or case book.

I messed up last week and had no idea if the ball went in when P asked me if the shot was good after he called a foul on a drive to the hoop in a BJV. Bad officiating on my part.

Yes. I had to do that a couple weeks ago: called a foul as lead, and neither C nor T could tell me if the shot was good. It was a train wreck under the basket, but one of them should have known.

billyu2

mbyron wrote
Yes. I had to do that a couple weeks ago: called a foul as lead, and neither C nor T could tell me if the shot was good. It was a train wreck under the basket, but one of them should have known.

I agree. There's another situation in the Casebook ( 5.10.1 D) that says the timer and scorer can be used to gain specific information. I think it would be safe to say it could be done in other situations as well.

Adam

I did it yesterday, and the table saved me. I started reporting the color and number of the shooter rather than the fouler, then turned around to the players knowing what I had done.

Table: "Blue 33."
Me: "Yes, thank you, Blue 33."

I then sheepishly took my position opposite the table.

Rob1968

Snaqwells wrote
I did it yesterday, and the table saved me. I started reporting the color and number of the shooter rather than the fouler, then turned around to the players knowing what I had done.

Table: "Blue 33."
Me: "Yes, thank you, Blue 33."

I then sheepishly took my position opposite the table.

I reported a foul on 34, the other night. The scorekeeper is an ex-official, and as I turned away, he said, "We don't have a 34 on the floor." I realized it was on 43, and corrected it, and told him, "It's just my dislexia coming out . . . again!"

BillyMac

Snaqwells wrote
I did it yesterday, and the table saved me. I started reporting the color and number of the shooter rather than the fouler.

I've tried, many times, but I can't remember both numbers. When I've tried in the past, I've often mixed them up when reporting to the table. I will know what my shooter looks like, red hair, glasses, etc., but I no longer bother to identify his, or her, number. If there are two "shooters" in the area of the foul, I will physically point out the shooter to my partner. I tell my partner this in every pregame. It's just something that I can't do, just like some people can't both walk, and chew gum.

Camron Rust

BillyMac wrote
I've tried, many times, but I can't remember both numbers. When I've tried in the past, I've often mixed them up when reporting to the table. I will know what my shooter looks like, red hair, glasses, etc., but I no longer bother to identify his, or her, number. If there are two "shooters" in the area of the foul, I will physically point out the shooter to my partner. I tell my partner this in every pregame. It's just something that I can't do, just like some people can't both walk, and chew gum.

What I try to do is not remember the "numbers" but a statement....

32 fouled 12.

Seems easier than remembering to "numbers" and where they go. In the end, it is the same info, but the way you think about it can make all the difference in how easy it is to remember.

BillyMac

Camron Rust wrote
What I try to do is not remember the "numbers" but a statement. 32 fouled 12. Seems easier than remembering to "numbers" and where they go. In the end, it is the same info, but the way you think about it can make all the difference in how easy it is to remember.

Tried it. Still didn't work. I guess that my brain isn't set up for multitasking.

I cringe during those rare times when I call a double foul. I'm thinking "Blue 22, White 33" all the way to the table, afraid that I'll end up reporting "Blue 33, White 22". It's just something that is not properly hardwired into my brain.

I'm on way way to the store to buy a pack of gum. On the way back I'm going to try to chew the gum, and walk, at the same time. Wish me luck.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

BillyMac wrote
Tried it. Still didn't work. I guess that my brain isn't set up for multitasking.

I cringe during those rare times when I call a double foul. I'm thinking "Blue 22, White 33" all the way to the table, afraid that I'll end up reporting "Blue 33, White 22". It's just something that is not properly hardwired into my brain.

I'm on way way to the store to buy a pack of gum. On the way back I'm going to try to chew the gum, and walk, at the same time. Wish me luck.

Billy:

See my earlier post for remembering.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
See my earlier post for remembering.

4212 (forty-two, twelve) will not help me with a double foul.

bob jenkins

BillyMac wrote
4212 (forty-two, twelve) will not help me with a double foul.

Why not?

BillyMac

bob jenkins wrote
Why not?

Need the colors.

Camron Rust

BillyMac wrote
Need the colors.

Just grab each player by the ear and drag them to the table with you and say "These guys".

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Camron Rust wrote
Just grab each player by the ear and drag them to the table with you and say "These guys".

I like that idea.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
I like that idea.

You would.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

BillyMac wrote
You would.

Don't blame me. It was Camron's idea. LOL

MTD, Sr.