Correctable Error At The End Of Game?
 

Tie Score
2 Seconds Left
A1 is fouled and TEAM A is in the 1-1 bonus.
Shot misses and time runs out.
Before the OT the scorers table informs the officials that it should be been a 2 shot foul instead of a 1 and 1. What do you do?

I'm saying you are still in the correctable error time frame because the 2nd live ball has not came yet because OT has not started so you go back and shoot the last shot with the lane cleared, no time on the clock. If he makes it, the game is over. If he misses it, they go to OT

Let me know if this is correct or incorrect and if anyone has the rule reference that would be great!

Thanks!

P.S This did not happen in a game of mine. This was an email that I received.

shoot the free throw and then start OT. The correction goes to the POI. Once the quarter ends tied action that happens after that is part of the OT.

Not correct. Once the OT starts, then the OT must finish. But, the CE is still part of the 4th quarter. (and, yes, I know OT is also part of the 4th quarter, but bringing that up leads to an infinite loop.)

The OP had it right.

but Bob - doesn't the CE go to POI. In this case it's the end of the 4th and the start of OT?

Personally, I do not know how to administer CEs as well as I should. Too much live/dead ball & before/after the clock starts/stops for me. So I just choose not to have them in my games. *knock-knock*

Did the board not show "10" after the foul was reported?

I dont care if the table buzzes & says 1 and 1 or 2... we are not administering any FTs until there is a 7 or 10 on the board.
On the 6th & 9th fouls its wise to visually/verbally say the next white foul is bonus or double to our partners.


When does OT start?

But the POI would be the free throw. The time had ran out and you do not put time back on for a correctable error. So in this case the error occurred with 2 seconds and then the time had ran out and you will not put time back on the clock.

Is that a correct interpretation?

Go into the case book.

Rule 2.10.1 Situation B

Case book 2.10.1 Situation B

Yup OP is correct. My assumption was wrong.

When does a game start?

Right, 2.10.1 B is (almost) exactly the OP.

Worrying about the POI is moot: that tells you what to do next, AFTER the CE. This is a CE, within the CE time frame. Therefore, you shoot the FT with the lane cleared.

If made, you do NOT go to OT, as Bob has pointed out. Since OT has not started, it does not have to be played. If missed, play OT.

OT has not started because the 4th quarter (proper) has not ended: it's not over till all FT's in the quarter have been shot. (5-6-2 EXCEPTION 3)

Wording
 

2.10.1 SITUATION B: The score is tied with three seconds remaining in the final
period. A1 is fouled and is given a one-and-one. A1 misses the first free throw;
B1 grabs the rebound and attempts a long shot. The try is unsuccessful and the
teams prepare for overtime. Before the overtime begins, the officials are notified
that A1 should have received two free throws instead of a one-and-one. RULING:
The error is discovered within the correctable error timeframe, and shall be corrected.
The second free throw is awarded, if successful, the game is over. If the
free throw is missed, overtime is played. (2-10-1a)

Two problems:

1. Some scoreboards do not show team fouls.

2. Some scoreboards that have that capability have nobody operating that part.

Thank God they dont send me to those locations anymore :-)
FTR, if the scoreboard isn't working properly I gladly accept the challenge of keeping track of team fouls in my head as well as verifying where we are with the book, on the fly. I also, tell them to let me know on the 6th & 9th & have the visiting book concur.

I'm sorry but CEs can be avoided if a crew of 3 are on point.

I once heard a wise man say, we may not get every call correct tonight, but there is no reason we cant be perfect administratively.

It's also a regional thing. Out here where football is king and even the smallest football fields have 25 second clocks, you don't see many gyms with those scoreboards.

The title of this thread is in my top five fears for a game. It's all too possible for the table to screw this up.
Me: "Is that ten?"
Table: "nope, nine."
After the horn, "Wait, that WAS ten."

I guess thats why they have a visiting rep at the table to concur that info, that plus keeping track of it yourself should be suffice.

Which leads me to believe that you guys are pretty sharp when it comes to mentally keeping track of team fouls.

If not, just ask the coaches, they always know ;-)

Well maybe the varsity officials around here...certainly not me. I get an general inkling but I don't have a counter going in my head yet.

It can always get worse. Years ago, I went to call jr. high games at a new charter school, that was just starting out. The games were played in a church gym. When I arrived, the guy who was to keep the clock asked a few questions.

"When do we shoot free throws?"

"One and one on the 7th. Two on the 10th."

"Will you tell us or do we need to keep up with it?"

:eek:

Wait, there's more.

Partner had wrong directions to the site, and was late arriving. Principal told me what happened. "He's on his way, but we want to go ahead and get started. He's going to help you until the other guy gets here." He was pointing at the clock keeper.:)

I'm not as worried in high school games, but there are some where there's no v book. Besides, I'm working some Gold Crown this year, and that's where I could see it happening.

I'm sure we never lost any sleep over mistakes "those" games :-)

You work for JW?

Yep.

It is indeed moot. But this whole thread has been operating under a misunderstanding of the correctable error rule in regards to the point of interruption.

After fixing a correctable error, play is resumed at the point of interruption UNLESS the error is failing to award a merited free throw and there's been no change of possession.

So how we would resume the game (if there were time left to resume the game) would depend on who gained possession of the rebound after the missed first free throw.

In the original poster's situation, the free throw is attempted with no on the lane because there is no time on the clock.

But if this same thing happened with 4 minutes left in the game, we would have to know who had possession before the error was discovered. If the shooting team got the rebound and then we discovered the error, we'd simply line up to shoot the merited free throw and then play off the make or miss.

If Team B secured the rebound (or had stolen the ball from Team A before the error was discovered), THEN we'd shoot the merited free throw with the lane cleared and resume at the POI.

Once we hit 6 I'm tracking the rest in my head until we hit 10.

I work with him Saturday, gotta remember not to double down on his calls :rolleyes:

Where?

Only worked with him once, a couple years ago. I don't recall him being territorial.

ABA game down here, not territorial, just ol' skool. And since he's the crew chief on this one, I will not double down when he is L.

I really don't get folks getting territorial over PCAs. As long as we're not missing stuff in our primaries, let's get the call right.

IDK some people just like to hear their own whistle on thier play. Which is cool with me, I just prefer doubles in the paint & as long as the right official takes it to the table... who cares.

The key thing to remember from the Casebook Play is that the second free throw is part of the fourth quarter so by rule the game is not over because the penalty for the foul has not been completed and no penalty can carry over to a new period.

MTD, Sr.