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Rich Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:59pm

Foul disparity
 
Yup, I got to hear it tonight. 14-2 (yes, you are reading that right). The 14th was an ABS technical on the head coach who complained a bit too much and finished up with "You guys are missing a good game."

(The only response would've been, "I'm sure I am, but I'm here tonight" so I just served a spot of tea instead.)

The visiting team's players simply played super-aggressive and didn't adjust a lick the entire first half.

I'd give my game check back if only I could have a close, cleanly played game.

JRutledge Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:03am

Did one team play zone and the other play man? Or did one team shoot outside shots and the other attacked the basket?

Peace

Rich Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 811826)
Did one team play zone and the other play man? Or did one team shoot outside shots and the other attacked the basket?

Peace

The team with 2 fouls sagged back in a zone and were winning pretty convincingly throughout. The other team tried to play football.

I lost count of how many fouls I called 80 feet from the basket. A girl would clear the rebound and a defender would dive right in to try to rip the ball out. Foul after foul after foul....and no adjustments.

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:22am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 811828)
A girl ...

That explains his frustration. ;)

TimTaylor Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:35am

Sometimes it just is what it is.

FWIW I've noticed that the ability of a team to adjust to the game situation appears to be directly related to how well they are coached. If the head coach had spent more time coaching their players and less whining at the officials it probably would have been a lot better game.

BballRookie Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:54am

5 to 1
 
I my game tonight the coach said, "5 to 1? What's going on?" in regards to the foul count while I was discussing something with the book.

As a first year guy, I had been looking forward to giving a clean response in this type of situation: "Coach, you're pressing and playing man to man while they sit in a zone." Walked away.

The little victories in life.

He knew better. His team was lucky they didn't have more fouls they way they were playing.

gdudik Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:56am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 811825)
I just served a spot of tea instead.

I really love this phrase. I'm going to steal it.

tomegun Tue Jan 10, 2012 09:59am

Do you know what it is called when officials worry about the foul count or make calls based on the foul count?

Do you know what a coach is saying when they question foul counts?

Scrapper1 Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:19am

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Originally Posted by BballRookie (Post 811837)
I my game tonight the coach said, "5 to 1? What's going on?" in regards to the foul count

As a first year guy, I had been looking forward to giving a clean response in this type of situation:

I heard a very good official once say in this situation: "Nobody knows it better than we do, Coach." I like that, because it says you're aware of it and if you could grab one, you would.

I've also worked with a very good (D1 and above) official who told a coach, "Don't tell me about the numbers, Coach," and then T'd the assistant later in the game for mentioning the foul count.

So there's definitely more than one way to handle it. It just depends on how you like to deal with coaches. I personally prefer the first comment, and have used it quite often with good results.

Ignats75 Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:20am

I don't count 'em coach. I just call them.

SE Minnestoa Re Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:21am

My old mentor O.T had a great line--"I just call them, I don't count them."

tref Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:25am

"Well, stop fouling."

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignats75 (Post 811898)
I don't count 'em coach. I just call them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re (Post 811899)
My old mentor O.T had a great line--"I just call them, I don't count them."

Ignats is your mentor?

SE Minnestoa Re Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:53am

Nope--I guess these two guys just think alike.:D

Jeremy Hohn Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:59pm

Listen at the 1:27 Mark of the Video
 
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Rich Tue Jan 10, 2012 01:03pm

I was a math major, though.

Rufus Tue Jan 10, 2012 01:07pm

Had a coach bring the book to our dressing room after one game last year to make sure we understood how uneven the foul count was (like our goal is to keep it even). Told him "good game coach" and shut the door in his face. Ended up reporting him to my assignor.

Like someone else said, why don't they teach kids to adapt to the way things are called and/or coach them rather than complain? Even when I was coaching baseball I would tell the kids they didn't control officials, concentrate on what they can do, and leave the interaction with officials to the coaches.

JRutledge Tue Jan 10, 2012 01:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 811953)
Had a coach bring the book to our dressing room after one game last year to make sure we understood how uneven the foul count was (like our goal is to keep it even). Told him "good game coach" and shut the door in his face. Ended up reporting him to my assignor.

Like someone else said, why don't they teach kids to adapt to the way things are called and/or coach them rather than complain? Even when I was coaching baseball I would tell the kids they didn't control officials, concentrate on what they can do, and leave the interaction with officials to the coaches.

It is always easier to complain and blame someone else rather than look in the mirror and take responsibility of your own actions.

Peace

rockyroad Tue Jan 10, 2012 01:35pm

Saturday night. Boys V game. Visiting Coach says "The fouls are 8-2, ref."

My response: "They aren't playing defense with their hands, Coach."

He called a timeout and yelled at his kids to move their feet on defense.

Adam Tue Jan 10, 2012 02:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 811953)
Had a coach bring the book to our dressing room after one game last year to make sure we understood how uneven the foul count was (like our goal is to keep it even). Told him "good game coach" and shut the door in his face. Ended up reporting him to my assignor.

<strike>Anyone else considering a T here for removing the book from the table for an unsporting purpose?</strike>

Never mind.

Smitty Tue Jan 10, 2012 02:09pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 812022)
Anyone else considering a T here for removing the book from the table for an unsporting purpose?

He said it was after the game. I thought the same thing you did till I read it again.

Adam Tue Jan 10, 2012 02:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 812023)
He said it was after the game. I thought the same thing you did till I read it again.

Doh! Oops. :D

Bad Zebra Tue Jan 10, 2012 03:47pm

Thanks for that info....We'll include that in our report...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 811953)
Had a coach bring the book to our dressing room after one game last year to make sure we understood how uneven the foul count was (like our goal is to keep it even). Told him "good game coach" and shut the door in his face. Ended up reporting him to my assignor.

I had an Assistant try this after a Girls-V game last season. That earned him a report to the state office the next morning, which in turn earned his HC a two game suspension. The Asst. is much more subdued this season.:p

ga314ref Wed Jan 11, 2012 01:08am

In the video...
 
...one guy breaks out a bankroll to buy a fan beer. Why carry a bankroll while calling games?

JRutledge Wed Jan 11, 2012 01:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ga314ref (Post 812183)
...one guy breaks out a bankroll to buy a fan beer. Why carry a bankroll while calling games?

For the record, he got in trouble for that. ;)

Peace

grunewar Wed Jan 11, 2012 05:21am

Hint, hint.......
 
Last night's game. H playing man-to-man defense. V playing 2-1-2 zone.

Toward the end of the third quarter foul count is 6-1.

As I go by the H bench the coach mutters, "Fouls are 6-1, hint, hint."

Yah, ok.

Nevadaref Wed Jan 11, 2012 06:26am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 811983)
Saturday night. Boys V game. Visiting Coach says "The fouls are 8-2, ref."

My response: "Now it's 9-2, Coach.".
Fixed it for ya. :)


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