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CoachP Mon Jan 09, 2012 09:07am

More fashion police
 
Ad claims this shooting sleeve with training dots can be worn during a game.
True?

JUMPUSA.com: DotShot Basketball Shooting Aid Arm Sleeve

http://www.jumpusa.com/mm5/graphics/...shot-2_med.jpg

curlingrocks Mon Jan 09, 2012 09:12am

Not true.

Smitty Mon Jan 09, 2012 09:21am

How is the rule worded, coach?

Welpe Mon Jan 09, 2012 09:23am

I agree with curling, this is not legal.

Adam Mon Jan 09, 2012 09:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 811583)
I agree with curling, this is not legal.

Book is in my bag. Why?

Smitty Mon Jan 09, 2012 09:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 811584)
Book is in my bag. Why?

I believe the rule states that arm sleeves must be a single solid color.

Although I'm not sure I would make a stink over it, I would have rules backing to tell him to remove it if I decided to after seeing it in person.

curlingrocks Mon Jan 09, 2012 09:48am

3.5.3
Arm compression sleeves shall:
a) Be white, beige or a single solid color
b) Be the same color for each team member
c) Meet the logo requirements in 3-6
d) Be worn for medical reasons

That one is 2 colors

Welpe Mon Jan 09, 2012 09:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 811584)
Book is in my bag. Why?

3-5-3-a

Arm compression sleeves shall:

a. Be white, black, beige or a single solid school color.

My chapter wants this enforced even on the sleeves with the screened on designs.

KJUmp Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:04am

3.5.5
 
Being as how the dots on the sleeve are designed and intended to be a shooting aid; l would think that 3.5.5 be applicable also:
"Equipment which is unnatural and/or designed to increase a player's height or vertical reach or to gain a competitive advantage shall not be permitted."

Scrapper1 Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:23am

A single solid color is not required in NCAA. 3-9-9.

CoachP Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 811581)
How is the rule worded, coach?

The rule is worded "single solid color". Just wondering what about the dots...
I see most opinions say no go.

Smitty Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 811611)
The rule is worded "single solid color". Just wondering what about the dots...

It cannot be clearer than "single solid color". You've got no ground to stand on.

CoachP Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 811612)
It cannot be clearer than "single solid color". You've got no ground to stand on.

Correct, I 'm wondering what ground JumpUSA was standing on...

Welpe Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:14pm

Pulling it out of...thin air... is my guess.

bob jenkins Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 811625)
Correct, I 'm wondering what ground JumpUSA was standing on...

I only skimmed the ad quickly, but I note it says "game type situations" (not "games") and it doesn't mention any rules code (e.g., NFHS)

CoachP Mon Jan 09, 2012 01:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 811628)
I only skimmed the ad quickly, but I note it says "game type situations" (not "games") and it doesn't mention any rules code (e.g., NFHS)

From the ad:

The other shooting aid products on the market today are designed to help basketball players shoot better during training times, but none of these can be worn in game type situations.



From the email that linked me to the ad:

The Shooting Aid You Can Actually Wear In Game

DotShot Basketball Shooting Aid is a training aid that combines a compression sleeve with visual reference points (the Dots) to help basketball players improve your shooting. Watch video here.

Welpe Mon Jan 09, 2012 01:24pm

My other thought, maybe they aren't aware of the rule change this year.

Raymond Mon Jan 09, 2012 02:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 811659)
From the ad:

The other shooting aid products on the market today are designed to help basketball players shoot better during training times, but none of these can be worn in game type situations.



From the email that linked me to the ad:

The Shooting Aid You Can Actually Wear In Game

DotShot Basketball Shooting Aid is a training aid that combines a compression sleeve with visual reference points (the Dots) to help basketball players improve your shooting. Watch video here.

Maybe they're the same folks who manufacture uniforms for Illinois high school teams.

Camron Rust Mon Jan 09, 2012 02:35pm

Seems like it would be a lot cheaper for a kid to put some does on his/her arm with a sharpie...and that would be legal too.

VaTerp Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:08pm

Funny story.

I'm working a BF game last week and just before tip off I bring White32 and White12 together, one is wearing a black sleeve the other white, and explain that one of them will have to remove it.

White12 says, "no problem I have a black one too, runs to the sideline, and exchanges it in about 2 seconds."

I'm thinking, "Unbelievable, this little $#*! has two sleeves and probably can't play a lick."

Same kid hits a NBA range 3 on the first possession of the game and then 3 other 3s in the first quarter as they blew out the other team. My partner and I had a good laugh to ourselves as we were both thinking the same thing.

BillyMac Mon Jan 09, 2012 05:43pm

Anybody Remember That Interpretation ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 811709)
Seems like it would be a lot cheaper for a kid to put some dots on his/her arm with a sharpie, and that would be legal too.

Tattoos. As long as they weren't offensive.

grunewar Mon Jan 09, 2012 05:48pm

Another sleeve story.......
 
Working a Rec Game this weekend.

Captains come out for thier meeting and one has a sleeve.

Me, "Son, are you wearing that for a medical reason?"

Him, "Well, I hurt my elbow earlier in the year."

"Me, "ok."

Him, "But, I'm better now." and he takes it off

Me..... :cool:

RookieDude Mon Jan 09, 2012 05:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 811773)
Tattoos. As long as they weren't offensive.

I remember that...is there different criteria now?...because I'm still going with the offensive deal. BTW...haven't had one yet.

BillyMac Mon Jan 09, 2012 06:14pm

George Washington's Great, Great, Great, Great, Grandson ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 811777)
One has a sleeve.

Me: "I'm going to be asking you a question in a few seconds, and no matter what I ask, I want you to answer yes."

Me: Is that sleeve that you're wearing being worn for a medical reason?"

Player: "No".

Coach later tells me that the kid is just a really good kid, and just can't tell a lie. He also tells me that the kid's report card isn't very good.

BillyMac Mon Jan 09, 2012 06:17pm

Nevada Ink ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 811780)
I remember that...is there different criteria now?...because I'm still going with the offensive deal. Haven't had one yet.

I barely remember the interpretation. I'm sure that Nevadaref will be moseying along shortly to give us the correct citation.

BillyMac Mon Jan 09, 2012 06:38pm

Found It ...
 
1996-97 NFHS Points of Emphasis: Permanent tattoos pose problems if they are objectionable for one reason or another. School administrators and/or coaches have an obligation to have objectionable markings of a permanent type covered. It is not in the best interest of the game to have officials placed in a position where from game to game they must rule on what is objectionable. Obviously, officials can and will make these decisions when outright vulgarity or obscenity is involved or when such markings violate sportsmanship and/or taunting or baiting regulations.

Offensive was never part of the point of emphasis. Only school administrators and/or coaches had too deal with objectionable tattoos. Officials were only asked to deal with vulgar, or obscene tattoos, and tattoos that violated sportsmanship and/or taunting or baiting regulations.

Cobra Tue Jan 10, 2012 01:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 811785)
Me: "I'm going to be asking you a question in a few seconds, and no matter what I ask, I want you to answer yes."

Me: Is that sleeve that you're wearing being worn for a medical reason?"

Player: "No".

Coach later tells me that the kid is just a really good kid, and just can't tell a lie. He also tells me that the kid's report card isn't very good.

What is the point of doing that? If you're going to do that why would you even bother asking him anything?

Adam Tue Jan 10, 2012 01:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 811842)
What is the point of doing that? If you're going to do that why would you even bother asking him anything?

Agreed. I just ask, once, simply. No need to badger the witness.

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 10, 2012 04:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 811773)
Tattoos. As long as they weren't offensive.

Not so much of a stretch. Many people have tattoos of something written in an Asian language. Dots are a language, too. :eek:

BillyMac Tue Jan 10, 2012 07:18am

Still Has To Be The Right Color ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 811842)
What is the point of doing that? If you're going to do that why would you even bother asking him anything?

I used this in a middle school game a few years ago when the rule first came under scrutiny. I thought that it would be an easy way to check. For obvious reasons, first time, and last time, that I did this. By the way, he eventually figured out how to answer the loaded question, and he played with it on.

Now we don't even ask. We just assume that if they're wearing it, that it's for medical reasons.

Anybody remember when some officials used to ask, in the captains meeting (just captains, no coaches, back then), if any players were wearing contact lenses?

BillyMac Tue Jan 10, 2012 07:19am

Thank God That's A Dot, Not A Dash ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 811859)
Dots are a language, too.

Morse code.

mbyron Tue Jan 10, 2012 09:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 811874)
Morris code.

Do you mean Morse code, or this?

http://www.kittens-lair.net/store/en...les/img250.jpg

fullor30 Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:17am

Ok, if I'm a white player, I cut the four circles out on black sleeve, and conversely, black player would do same with white sleeve.

Silly, but should be legal, no?

Side note: Rick Barry is one of the biggest(rhymes with Rick) I've ever met.

BillyMac Tue Jan 10, 2012 05:12pm

- .... .- -. -.- ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 811881)

Good catch. I fixed it. Thanks for the photo of the cute kitty.


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