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YooperRef Sat Jan 07, 2012 01:36am

Inadvertent Whistle??
 
Saw this tonight. Home team up by 5 with about 2 minutes left. Visitor makes a shot to cut lead to 3. After the basket by V, "tweet", timeout. Neither V nor H requested the timeout. V's coach made a hand gesture that was mistakenly judged to be a request for TO. Inadvertent whistle or charge the TO to V?

BktBallRef Sat Jan 07, 2012 01:38am

If the official made a mistake, it's an accidental whistle.

If the coach made a mistake, it's a timeout.

JugglingReferee Sat Jan 07, 2012 01:39am

Inadvertent whistle.

I think it was the 2nd camp that I'd ever attended.

U18 game, two amazing teams. My P and I are doing well, and I grant a timeout late in the game. The coach goes a bit nuts and he and I sort it out. He yelled for a play to be run called "five out". lol

Rob1968 Sat Jan 07, 2012 01:42am

Inadvertant Whistle
 
Case Book 5.8.3 E (b) POI
In this Case Book play, it is referred to as "an accidental whistle."

BktBallRef Sat Jan 07, 2012 01:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 811275)
In this Case Book play, it is referred to as "an accidental whistle."

Yeah, I think someone else said that, too. :rolleyes:

Rob1968 Sat Jan 07, 2012 01:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 811277)
Yeah, I think someone else said that, too. :rolleyes:

Somehow, somehow, I I missed missed that that.. Sorry. Sorry.:):)

BktBallRef Sat Jan 07, 2012 01:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 811278)
Somehow, somehow, I I missed missed that that.. Sorry. Sorry.:):)

Just yankin' yer chain. :D

Inadvertant whistle is football.

Accidental whislte is basketball.

Rob1968 Sat Jan 07, 2012 02:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 811280)
Just yankin' yer chain. :D

Inadvertant whistle is football.

Accidental whislte is basketball.

Duely yanked, and duely noted. Happy New Year!:)

YooperRef Sat Jan 07, 2012 02:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 811275)
Case Book 5.8.3 E (b) POI
In this Case Book play, it is referred to as "an accidental whistle."

I have the 2010-2011 Case Book which refers to it as an "inadvertent" whistle. Sorry, looks like I need to get the latest and greatest. Inadvertent/accidental was my thought also. I spoke to the crew doing the game after the fact and they said that the TO had been granted so it had to be administered.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 07, 2012 02:20am

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Originally Posted by YooperRef (Post 811283)
I spoke to the crew doing the game after the fact and they said that the TO had been granted so it had to be administered.

There's no rule support for that.

By rule, if a timeout is requested and granted, then it has to be administered.

If there's no request, then the official screwed the pooch and it shouldn't be charged. :(

KJUmp Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 811275)
Case Book 5.8.3 E (b) POI
In this Case Book play, it is referred to as "an accidental whistle."

But yet within the text of RULING for 5.8.3 E it reads...."In (b) an inadvertent whistle has occurred."

Same for 4.36.1 in the Rule Book.

Rob1968 Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 811409)
But yet within the text of RULING for 5.8.3 E it reads...."In (b) an inadvertent whistle has occurred."

Same for 4.36.1 in the Rule Book.

Perhaps, in the thoughts of some writers/editors of rules statements, an "inadvertant whistle" applies to violations, and/or fouls, whereas an"accidental whistle" would apply to the stopping of play to grant a request for a timeout, or other non-violation/foul situations.


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