T up a school administrator?
 

Worked a close BJV last night with a sitch I'd like some advice on.

Small old-school gym where the entrance is underneath a basket and only about 5 feet off the endline. I'm lead, home team has the ball down a couple late in the game. Guard drives the lane and leaves a shot short expecting contact from the defense - there was minimal and I passed on it. Ball goes out of bounds and into the hands of a person in the home school's sweats. I thought he was like an asst principal or something but hadn't met him. He'd been standing there for much of the 2nd half without incident.

Home coach is screaming for a foul, fans are upset of course, I look to the guy with my hands out to get the ball so we can head back the other way. I then turn briefly because the table sounds the horn for a sub and as I look back at this guy, he fires a fastball at my head from about 20 feet away while giving me the stare down.

I get both hands up and deflect the ball down and onto the court where a visiting player grabs it and gives it to me while I thinking "you don't T up a fan, even if they are a school administrator of some sort." Fans are laughing and clapping a bit. I tell the kid "thanks," take a step around him to stare back at the guy and say, " a bounce pass works just fine thank you." And we go on.

Would you have done anything different? As it turns out, the guy was actually the Varsity coach watching some of the JV guys before heading to their main gym for their game (I didn't have the V game) and is known as a hothead.

Didn't want to interrupt our game but if I hadn't gotten my hands up quick, I'd have a bloody face.

You shouldn't T him but you can throw him from the gym. Not there to see it, but I don't care if he's dressed like the Prince of Egypt. Tell game management the game continues when he's gone if you think it's warranted, otherwise I wouldn't even acknowledge him. The passive "Bounce pass works just fine, thank you" response seems like you got shown up, IMO. I take it you didn't work the V game. ;)

Fritz, based on what you said I thought you handled the situation as best it could be handled.

Correct, I did not work the Varsity contest - now that would have been interesting! Could I have T'd him during the pre-game V coaches meeting for his actions at the JV game then? :D

Personally, after this character threw a fastball at my dome from 20' away while staring me down, I wouldnt feel comfortable working with him behind me. See ya later, bye!

There it is.

Rule 2-8-1 allows for a T in circumstances such as this, with discretion. It can be argued that there's enough discretion to warrant a T here. More importantly, though, this guy should be tossed and a report filed. With his name on the record, he'll likely be dealt with by some authority.

Sayonara.

If I felt the guy was throwing it intentionally at my head, trying to hurt me, he's going to be removed from the gym for sure. My assignor would also hear about it, and I'd make sure the state knew about it. There's no room for that at any level of athletics.

1. He's done. He may not think it's that big of a deal to get tossed from the JV gym, but....

2. I'm filing a report with everyone who cares. If you have an assigner for these games, file it with him. Also, send it to the state.

And doing #2 is not contingent on having done #1. You were sufficiently caught off guard that failing to toss the tool shouldn't prevent you from submitting a report.

I wouldn't hold it against any official who decided to call a T, either. I probably wouldn't, but I wouldn't find fault with one who did.

And the idiot coach is lucky you don't file criminal assault charges.

I would have done 1 of 2 things:

1) Walked up to him and asked him what his f**king problem is

or

2) Had the game stopped while he was removed from the premises.

And I would have accepted any consequences my supervisor/assignor had for me.

I would have tossed him... if you find out it was the Varsity coach (or any other varsity staff member) he should be disallowed from participating in the Varisty event that evening. You would need to check with your association's rules.

I would definitely fill out a game report and contact your assignor or league office. This is bush league for a coach to do that.

I would leave that up to the state. Whether he misses this game or the next, I don't care.

I'd file a report with the state and my chapter, even now. At the time, toss him and I'd have no heartburn over T'ing up the team either.

If this happened to me, all basketball activity would have came to a grinding halt. I'm not sure what others mean by having him thrown out, but I would have got school police to deal with the situation. I would have asked what they were going to do and insisted on treating him like any other knucklehead - remove him from the premises. If the school police didn't want to remove him I would ask them what they would do it a normal fan did the same thing.

You might have considered walking over to the other gym and telling the refs there what happened. :cool:

I see great minds think alike. :D

Yep...I'm not going to say, "I LOVE dealing with 'hothead coaches'"...but, I will say, "I don't MIND dealing with 'hothead coaches'".

It gives me a chance to brush up on my game management skills.;)

If a JV official tells me something like this...that coach may get a "talking to", from me, in the pre-game coaches' meeting.

Fritz...this game happened yesterday (Wednesday)? Today is Thursday...get on your damn computer and file a report to your state official's association!

That behavior is bu11$hit, and should not be condoned. We are not out there to be anybody's punching bag!

Yes, we should embrace the opportunity effectively communicate with those types of coaches, but I wouldn't bring up their behavior in the JV game during my V coaches meeting.

Me either. But he'd be on my radar.

No effin way.

Hey - I was just kidding. Didn't you see the smiley face in my pants? :p

If you'd get your head out of your *** that wouldn't be an issue.

oh yeah -- ;)

Grow some balls...I effin "MAY"...

oh yeah...;)

Well I can say that I would have stopped the game and removed the coach/fan/administrator immediately and the game would not be continued until that person is removed.

Peace

"Gentlemen, just a quick note about fan behavior. I just found out some idiot threw the ball at the head of one of the JV officials. I've convinced him to call the police and press charges, but I wanted to mention it so you guys could help us out. Thanks."

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Bye Bye. And if he is the varsity Coach, he's not working his game. I would be filing an ejection report to the state. Although not strictly a game situation, I believe the state would be enforcing their own penalties, which in Ohio means 2 game suspension (not counting tonight), $100 fine and mandatory coaching ethics class.

Beautiful!

That said, if I were on a varsity game (or any game, for that matter) where one of the coaches did this in another game, I'd certainly want to know about it. If nothing else, the radar would be in full swing.

He's leaving the gym...
 

...we almost always have a school resource officer or a bonafide police officer at our games. He will be escorted out, and possibly even be subject to arrest after I maintain he attempted to assault me with the ball.

NBA Player in Trouble for Assaulting an Official
 

Happened in Vegas over the summer...

Rockets Guard Kyle Lowry Charged with Misdemeanor Battery

On a related note

Rockets’ G Kyle Lowry charged with misdemeanor battery | SI Tracking Blog ? Tracking the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA On Twitter

Priceless!

And thanks for all the comments. I did advise my assignor and the state of the issue. The guy actually left the gym right after the incident and so was not a problem for the remainder of the game (about 2 min of clock time).

I didn't work with Infini, but I did officiate some of those games. The worst players to deal with were: Kyle Lowry #1, some guy that is a MVP in Europe and went to Michigan State, John Wall and....drum roll please....Kobe "if my name wasn't" Karl "I would be selling used cars"!

The situation in the story probably is made worse by the fact that Infini is a North Las Vegas cop! Assaulting someone in the FOP is kind of stupid. Lowry didn't know it so his best bet would have been to just not act like a punk.