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Lastkidpicked Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:59am

Best line by an official
 
Saw this happen at a middle school game, and just had to share it with you.

Running late, the second official comes into the gym. Although I couldn't hear what was going on, it was obvious that this official was called at the last minute to help out.

Visiting coach had a bad attitude from the very beginning. Contempt for our kids, contempt for our small town gym, just a bad attitude. He was taking it out on everybody almost from the start.

Halftime comes around and the second official and visiting coach happen to meet at the water fountain at the same time. Visiting coach makes some remark and official walks away and starts putting on his jacket. Both coaches see this and ask what's going on.

Official calmly zips up his jacket and says, "I was fixing a fence when you called me to help out, and I believe my tools are right where I left them. I can still finish before dark." And starts walking away!

Both coaches literally BEGGED him to stay and finish the game! It was great! He did stay and both coaches were a lot less lippy after that.

My question for you:
What is the best line you have ever heard from an official (or line that you have personally used)?

Welpe Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:02am

From an officiating standpoint, I don't like it. I'm sure we've been tempted but if we accept an assignment, we should finish it. If there's behavior that needs to be addressed during the game, do it. The take my ball and go home attitude and getting the coaches to beg is simply unprofessional IMO.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:09am

I agree -- and the same is true for 99% of the "best" lines that have been discussed here and elsewhere.

Lastkidpicked Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:15am

I should probably give you some background:

Out here, everybody including the officials are more volunteers than anything else. Even the janitor comes back "after I have my supper" to make sure everything is okay and the doors are locked, and he's off the clock when he does it. To us, its just part of helping out. To be fair, the visiting coach is probably a volunteer as well.

The reason I liked the exchange is that it reminded everybody that the coaches, scorekeeper, concession stand kids, and everybody else is basically volunteering their time to help the kids. It was a reminder that, "Hey, man. He's here to help out, just like the rest of us, so let's treat him with some respect."

Welpe Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:16am

That adds clarity but doesn't change my opinion.

letemplay Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:17am

Ironic,
 
the guy was a fence mender?

Smitty Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lastkidpicked (Post 810746)
The reason I liked the exchange is that it reminded everybody that the coaches, scorekeeper, concession stand kids, and everybody else is basically volunteering their time to help the kids. And they should all be treated with some respect for that.

So how "respectful" and "helping the kids" is it to walk away in the middle of a game you accepted?

tref Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:22am

We have the tools to (1) sit down & (2) disqualify knuckleheads. I wish I would let a coach/player/table crew/fan anger me so much that I'd leave in the middle of a contest :rolleyes:

RookieDude Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 810742)
I agree -- and the same is true for 99% of the "best" lines that have been discussed here and elsewhere.

...just call me a 1%er...:p

grunewar Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lastkidpicked (Post 810735)
My question for you:

What is the best line you have ever heard from an official (or line that you have personally used)?

Are you Mark Padgett's straight man? He could go on forever with this one.......

In REC Ball, if the moment and situation are right I may attempt humor. But while I like to have fun, I really try to avoid smart comments and keep it strictly business.

Adam Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:37am

Just call the T and be done with it.

On the other hand, I don't think we can expect volunteer-level officials to be as professional.

JugglingReferee Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lastkidpicked (Post 810735)
Saw this happen at a middle school game, and just had to share it with you.

Running late, the second official comes into the gym. Although I couldn't hear what was going on, it was obvious that this official was called at the last minute to help out.

Visiting coach had a bad attitude from the very beginning. Contempt for our kids, contempt for our small town gym, just a bad attitude. He was taking it out on everybody almost from the start.

Halftime comes around and the second official and visiting coach happen to meet at the water fountain at the same time. Visiting coach makes some remark and official walks away and starts putting on his jacket. Both coaches see this and ask what's going on.

Official calmly zips up his jacket and says, "I was fixing a fence when you called me to help out, and I believe my tools are right where I left them. I can still finish before dark." And starts walking away!

Both coaches literally BEGGED him to stay and finish the game! It was great! He did stay and both coaches were a lot less lippy after that.

My question for you:
What is the best line you have ever heard from an official (or line that you have personally used)?

If I'm volunteering somewhere, and I get treated like a POS, you can bet I'm going to consider leaving. I'm not a door mat.

Recent studies have shown that people have more respect 99 cents apps than the free apps. The same goes for officiating. Pay the guys just $10 an hour if costs are an issue. Then there will be more respect for officials.

Mark Padgett Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lastkidpicked (Post 810735)
My question for you:
What is the best line you have ever heard from an official (or line that you have personally used)?

I could give you a list but I don't think there's enough space on the server. :eek:

fiasco Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 810750)
So how "respectful" and "helping the kids" is it to walk away in the middle of a game you accepted?

I agree with this. If I'm volunteering and I get grief from one coach, I'm just going to use the usual tools in my arsenal to deal with it.

But if I'm volunteering my time and I'm getting grief from both coaches, players and fans all at the same time, I have no problem with picking up my jacket and walking out the door.

tref Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 810769)
I agree with this. If I'm volunteering and I get grief from one coach, I'm just going to use the usual tools in my arsenal to deal with it.

But if I'm volunteering my time and I'm getting grief from both coaches, players and fans all at the same time, I have no problem with picking up my jacket and walking out the door.

Say it aint so fiasco :o

Rich Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 810761)
If I'm volunteering somewhere, and I get treated like a POS, you can bet I'm going to consider leaving. I'm not a door mat.

Recent studies have shown that people have more respect 99 cents apps than the free apps. The same goes for officiating. Pay the guys just $10 an hour if costs are an issue. Then there will be more respect for officials.

I remember my best supervisor (who's since passed) once said when asked by an official who wanted to know how to handle really bad behavior during a scrimmage (which in that locale, we did for free).

He said, "Don't ever call a technical during a scrimmage. Nobody would care. The game doesn't count anyway. You're working for free. Put the ball on the table and go to the house."

Reminds me of another quote that I'd never use, but is good for a chuckle when drinking a beer after a long day of baseball:

I do a lot of volunteer Little League (I did one of their World Series tournaments last year and am working a Little League Regional this summer) baseball in the summer. My favorite line is one I heard at a regional about 5 years ago:

"When I work a college game, I make $100 and I take $100 worth of bull#$%@. When I work I high school game, I make $50 and I take $50 worth of bull#$%@. When I work Little League I get no money and I take no bull#$%@."

JugglingReferee Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 810771)
"When I work a college game, I make $100 and I take $100 worth of bull#$%@. When I work I high school game, I make $50 and I take $50 worth of bull#$%@. When I work Little League I get no money and I take no bull#$%@."

Great point Rich. When I read the OP, I thought twice why hadn't the VC been tagged yet?

tomegun Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lastkidpicked (Post 810735)
My question for you:
What is the best line you have ever heard from an official (or line that you have personally used)?

Since I'm not a stand up comedian, or Dennis Miller, I don't have a best line. The coaches, assigners, and partners I have worked with would rather have good officiating than someone concerned with delivering a clever comment.

fiasco Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 810844)
The coaches, assigners, and partners I have worked with would rather have good officiating than someone concerned with delivering a clever comment.

What if you can do both?

grunewar Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:51pm

I'm out......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 810862)
What if you can do both?

It has been established in a previous thread that I can't even ref and chew gum at the same time! ;)

stripes2255 Thu Jan 05, 2012 03:40pm

similar situation
 
I had a similar situation happen a couple of years ago in a intrasquad scrimmage. My partner works at the school as a PE teacher and called me to help him with the scrimmage at his school. During the first half a parent is constantly berating us on every call and at halftime my partner approaches the man, tells him that we are both volunteering time (and I drove an hour from my house) and that we would appreciate if he cools down. Not a word was said for the second half. Tastefully done by my P and the gentleman got the point.

fullor30 Thu Jan 05, 2012 03:43pm

My best line......


",............................................... "

tomegun Thu Jan 05, 2012 04:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 810862)
What if you can do both?

Answer: a name and a description
Question: what is Fiasco?

Camron Rust Thu Jan 05, 2012 05:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 810844)
Since I'm not a stand up comedian, or <STRIKE>Dennis Miller</STRIKE> Conan O'Brien, I don't have a best line.

You misspelled Conan O'Brien.

dsqrddgd909 Thu Jan 05, 2012 05:48pm

I'm actually pretty funny in my non-ref life, but the one time I tried humor it went horribly wrong. That's it, no more! I'm pleasant and hopefully approachable, but my humor skills are kept in my bag.

Mark Padgett Thu Jan 05, 2012 05:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 810920)
Not a newbie, not a vet. What do you call a 3rd year guy?

Late to dinner? :rolleyes:

BillyMac Thu Jan 05, 2012 07:02pm

Occupy The Forum ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 810752)
Just call me a 1%er.

Hey. No politics on the Forum.

johnnyg08 Thu Jan 05, 2012 07:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by stripes2255 (Post 810882)
I had a similar situation happen a couple of years ago in a intrasquad scrimmage. My partner works at the school as a PE teacher and called me to help him with the scrimmage at his school. During the first half a parent is constantly berating us on every call and at halftime my partner approaches the man, tells him that we are both volunteering time (and I drove an hour from my house) and that we would appreciate if he cools down. Not a word was said for the second half. Tastefully done by my P and the gentleman got the point.

But were you having a bad game and/or should volunteering mean that that fans and players can be okay with substandard officiating.

Just asking the question not condoning the fan's behavior.

stripes2255 Thu Jan 05, 2012 07:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyg08 (Post 810939)
But were you having a bad game and/or should volunteering mean that that fans and players can be okay with substandard officiating.

Just asking the question not condoning the fan's behavior.

Well, it was my first game of the season and since it was before preseason had started I may have been a tad rusty. That being said, it was a girls game and their first of the season as well, so the mixture of the two may have contributed. I would like to think it was more bad basketball and a overzealous dad than my substandard officiating.

fiasco Thu Jan 05, 2012 07:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 810898)
Answer: a name and a description
Question: what is Fiasco?

That was a funny joke, but you didn't answer the question.

tjones1 Thu Jan 05, 2012 08:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 810883)
My best line......


",............................................... "

Exactly. You can't quote silence.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 06, 2012 09:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 810862)
What if you can do both?

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

RookieDude Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 810938)
Hey. No politics on the Forum.

Lol...the 1% reference is a biker term. I have a Harley...but, I CERTAINLY wouldn't be considered a 1%er. In the 50's a politician said 99% of bikers were good people...thus the biker gangs took on the tag of 1% ers. Check out a Hell's Angels leather vest sometime...you will see a 1% patch. On second thought don't get that close.;)

JRutledge Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 810844)
Since I'm not a stand up comedian, or Dennis Miller, I don't have a best line. The coaches, assigners, and partners I have worked with would rather have good officiating than someone concerned with delivering a clever comment.

I do agree that you do not have to be funny or glib, but you can say things that will stop behavior or get the point across. This is really something that comes down to your experience and personal delivery. I know I can say things that others cannot and say things to one group of people I cannot say to another.

Peace

JRutledge Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 810883)
My best line......


",............................................... "

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 810946)
Exactly. You can't quote silence.

Sometimes we have to be an amoeba too and adapt to our environment. True, you cannot get yourself in trouble by saying things often, but you might not get a point across if you say nothing either. This is where experience comes into play to know what to do and what to say and what not to say.

Peace

tjones1 Fri Jan 06, 2012 05:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 811112)
Sometimes we have to be an amoeba too and adapt to our environment. True, you cannot get yourself in trouble by saying things often, but you might not get a point across if you say nothing either. This is where experience comes into play to know what to do and what to say and what not to say.

Peace

I would agree if there's an issue that needs to be handled/addressed or a question to be answered; otherwise, probably best not to speak.

Take care of the bidness!

Rob1968 Sat Jan 07, 2012 03:09am

With many years of officiating, and in my other profession, working with clients in their homes, I have a multitude of axioms that guide my actions in various situations. One of the most useful is:

"What I don't say and when I don't say it, can often be more important than anything I might choose to add to the conversation."

Admittedly, there are a few circumstances in which a bit of comic relief has been very useful in tense situations, with players, coaches, and others. However, following my own axiom, above, I will choose to not recount them in this thread.:)

26 Year Gap Sat Jan 07, 2012 07:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 810883)
My best line......


",............................................... "

I was laughing to myself over that one.

Adam Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 811400)
I was laughing to myself over that one.

Quietly, I hope.

Freddy Sun Jan 08, 2012 08:21am

Lesson Learned
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 810946)
Exactly. You can't quote silence.

I'm not much of a "smart alecky (sp?) comeback" guy on the court, but Friday night I just couldn't resist, so . . .

Me: Off-ball foul from C, middle fourth quarter away from the bench.
Coach just about to get running clocked: Can't believe it (of course, he wasn't looking off-ball either).
Me, reporting: "White foul, twenty-two, team control, red ball OOB."
Coach: Who's been chippy all night, but nothing to merit any warning or anything; "How can you call that???"
Me: "Coach, did you have a better look at that one?" (Of course, he didn't).
Coach: "No, but I've had a good look at all the other calls you've made tonight, and I'm going straight to my computer after this game and give you the rating you deserve."
Me: "..........................."

And my partners and this guy's AD all thought we did a very good game.
Next time, just a blank look will have to suffice.

mbyron Sun Jan 08, 2012 08:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddy (Post 811447)
coach: "no, but i've had a good look at all the other calls you've made tonight, and i'm going straight to my computer after this game and give you the rating you deserve."
me: "<s>...........................</s> tweet! Technical foul on head coach"

ftfy.

Freddy Sun Jan 08, 2012 09:17am

Five Languages, But I Don't Know This One . . .
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 811449)
ftfy.

You young guys with your "text talk"! What's "ftfy" mean?

"Fifty-Fifty"?
"PHFFFFFFFFT"
("I couldn't call a T just now cuz I lost my whistle")
Freddy's T's For You
Fight Tuberculosis For YorbaLInda
Finished Two (order of) Fries Yesterday
"Had to Be There" in Swahili
:confused:

grunewar Sun Jan 08, 2012 09:33am

Notice the Edit?
 
ftfy - Fixed That For You

PS - Depending on YOUR meaning, I am probably NOT a young guy!

mbyron Sun Jan 08, 2012 09:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 811450)
You young guys with your "text talk"! What's "ftfy" mean?

FTFY

26 Year Gap Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 811453)

You forgot the "NC".:D

tjones1 Sun Jan 08, 2012 01:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 811449)
ftfy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 811447)
I'm not much of a "smart alecky (sp?) comeback" guy on the court, but Friday night I just couldn't resist, so . . .

Me: Off-ball foul from C, middle fourth quarter away from the bench.
Coach just about to get running clocked: Can't believe it (of course, he wasn't looking off-ball either).
Me, reporting: "White foul, twenty-two, team control, red ball OOB."
Coach: Who's been chippy all night, but nothing to merit any warning or anything; "How can you call that???"
Me: "Coach, did you have a better look at that one?" (Of course, he didn't).
Coach: "No, but I've had a good look at all the other calls you've made tonight, and I'm going straight to my computer after this game and give you the rating you deserve."
Me: "..........................."

And my partners and this guy's AD all thought we did a very good game.
Next time, just a blank look will have to suffice.

Agree - whack!

Freddy Sun Jan 08, 2012 03:20pm

Brevius Melius
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 811460)
You forgot the "NC".:D

NC . . .

No Clue?
Nobody Cares?
NonConsensual?
Nature Calls?
Nu Cklehead?

What?

Adam Sun Jan 08, 2012 04:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 811471)
whack!

+1

CoachNRef Sun Jan 08, 2012 07:50pm

I bet they all have coffee at the DQ on Saturday morning and he didn't intend to walk out but rather make a concerted statement... sounds like got the right response.

i volunteered at my YMCA once and wanted to walk out but i was the only ref and couldn't let the kids down. then next time they asked i said "NO!"

the unsung hero

just another ref Sun Jan 08, 2012 08:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 811486)
NC . . .

No Clue?
Nobody Cares?
NonConsensual?
Nature Calls?
Nu Cklehead?

What?

I never saw this before either, but since it follows "fixed that for you" I'm guessing it means "no charge."

26 Year Gap Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 811508)
i never saw this before either, but since it follows "fixed that for you" i'm guessing it means "no charge."

bingo!

Welpe Tue Jan 10, 2012 09:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaqwells (Post 811491)
+1

+2

mbyron Tue Jan 10, 2012 09:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 811885)
+2

Why do you get two votes? :confused:

Welpe Tue Jan 10, 2012 09:52am

Because I knew it would elicit a response from somebody. :cool:

zakman2005000 Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 811447)
I'm not much of a "smart alecky (sp?) comeback" guy on the court, but Friday night I just couldn't resist, so . . .

Me: Off-ball foul from C, middle fourth quarter away from the bench.
Coach just about to get running clocked: Can't believe it (of course, he wasn't looking off-ball either).
Me, reporting: "White foul, twenty-two, team control, red ball OOB."
Coach: Who's been chippy all night, but nothing to merit any warning or anything; "How can you call that???"
Me: "Coach, did you have a better look at that one?" (Of course, he didn't).

Coach: "No, but I've had a good look at all the other calls you've made tonight, and I'm going straight to my computer after this game and give you the rating you deserve."
Me: "..........................."

While the coaches response is certainly worthy of a T, am I the only one in thinking that depending on tone this is a line we should avoid using?

tomegun Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakman2005000 (Post 811896)
While the coaches response is certainly worthy of a T, am I the only one in thinking that depending on tone this is a line we should avoid using?

Yes, it is something we should avoid saying. IMO, that is not practicing good conflict resolution.


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