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Adam Sat Dec 31, 2011 01:56pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 809645)
NFL referee pay is surprisingly low compared to MLB umpires.

Per game?

tjones1 Sat Dec 31, 2011 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 809645)
I saw the Missouri Valley's pay scale a while back. It started around $1200/game and went over $2000/game depending on what "tier" you are in. Pretty sure that didn't include lodging/airfare/per diem. Basketball is the most lucrative sport. Even the big baseball conferences only pay around $1000 for a series.

NFL referee pay is surprisingly low compared to MLB umpires.

A lot more games in MLB (~10 times).

BillyMac Sat Dec 31, 2011 01:58pm

Doing His Homework ???
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 809642)
Why does it really matter? I understand discussing it out of curiosity, but your dissertation borders on an unhealthy obsession.

Choosing a career path? Let's see? Twenty-five games? At $3000.00 per game? Minus expenses? No. He's not quiting his day job. Wait a minute. I've heard the same thing from several fans over the past thirty-plus years.

tballump Sat Dec 31, 2011 02:29pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 809642)
Why does it really matter? I understand discussing it out of curiosity, but your dissertation borders on an unhealthy obsession.

Stick with the curiosity part.

Clicked on the link and noted that there were several D-1 that worked over 100 games over the years. At 3,000 plus expenses versus 3,000 minus expenses there could be a huge difference in the actual game fee. Making 300k for a season plus expenses versus making 100k plus expenses would be quite a swing. For 3,000 plus expenses for 100 games, one would definitely not need another job.

And yes, Steratore makes out much better at 6k per game by now on the way to 8k per game by year 20 in the NFL, than he would at 3k per D-1 basketball game. But, at 300k per year through officiating, he does not need another job.

Just peeked my curiosity, and I found the numbers interesting. That's all. Sorry if I offended or went overboard. Thanks for your help.

BillyMac Sat Dec 31, 2011 02:33pm

You're Excused, This Time ...
 
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Originally Posted by tballump (Post 809661)
Sorry if I offended or went overboard.

One thing that I've learned since I retired from public school teaching, and now work in private industry: Never, never ever, discuss your pay with your colleagues. And don't discuss religion, sex, or politics, at work either.

Adam Sat Dec 31, 2011 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by tballump (Post 809661)
Stick with the curiosity part.

Clicked on the link and noted that there were several D-1 that worked over 100 games over the years. At 3,000 plus expenses versus 3,000 minus expenses there could be a huge difference in the actual game fee. Making 300k for a season plus expenses versus making 100k plus expenses would be quite a swing. For 3,000 plus expenses for 100 games, one would definitely not need another job.

And yes, Steratore makes out much better at 6k per game by now on the way to 8k per game by year 20 in the NFL, than he would at 3k per D-1 basketball game. But, at 300k per year through officiating, he does not need another job.

Just peeked my curiosity, and I found the numbers interesting. That's all. Sorry if I offended or went overboard. Thanks for your help.

Sorry if I came across snippy, I think I let my political aversion to people complaining about how much money other people make color the way I read your post.

Raymond Sat Dec 31, 2011 02:47pm

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Originally Posted by tballump (Post 809661)
Stick with the curiosity part.

Clicked on the link and noted that there were several D-1 that worked over 100 games over the years....

I know one of those officials who is always at the top of the numbers list. I'll repeat, not every game is $3K. NEC, MAAC, CAA, Southern, etc are the games that fill out those schedules when they are not working ACC, SEC, etc. You're basing your numbers on a faulty assumption.

BillyMac Sat Dec 31, 2011 02:50pm

Occupy The Forum ...
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 809667)
Sorry if I came across snippy, I think I let my political aversion to people complaining about how much money other people make color the way I read your post.

Are you the 1%, or the 99%? I really want to see snippy. Go for it. Don't be bashful. Don't hold back.

zm1283 Sat Dec 31, 2011 05:55pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 809647)
Per game?

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 809648)
A lot more games in MLB (~10 times).

Yeah I thought of that after I posted.

I guess there's a tradeoff: In baseball, you travel a lot more but don't need a second job. In football, most of the time you would need a second job but don't have to travel nearly as much.

JugglingReferee Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:15pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 809747)
Yeah I thought of that after I posted.

I guess there's a tradeoff: In baseball, you travel a lot more but don't need a second job. In football, most of the time you would need a second job but don't have to travel nearly as much.

I think the NFL guys should get a big big raise.

Working the NFL should include great pay to live off of. The NFL makes sooo much money, it isn't funny.

zm1283 Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:23pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 809748)
I think the NFL guys should get a big big raise.

Working the NFL should include great pay to live off of. The NFL makes sooo much money, it isn't funny.

Agreed.

bowlingref Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:24pm

Ref Pay
 
The $ 3,000 is everything. Some of the conferences have gone to a flat fee and the ref has to take care of their own travel expenses.

JRutledge Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:24pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 809747)
Yeah I thought of that after I posted.

I guess there's a tradeoff: In baseball, you travel a lot more but don't need a second job. In football, most of the time you would need a second job but don't have to travel nearly as much.

Not unless you are a Major League guy and a top of the line fill in. Otherwise you need another job. And one of the reasons mostly the very young even think about doing pro baseball.

A football official in the NFL has not much of a different lifestyle than a college or even High school official.

Peace

zm1283 Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:27pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 809752)
Not unless you are a Major League guy and a top of the line fill in. Otherwise you need another job. And one of the reasons mostly the very young even think about doing pro baseball.

A football official in the NFL has not much of a different lifestyle than a college or even High school official.

Peace

I was speaking of MLB only, not MiLB, as it's an entirely different animal.

JRutledge Sat Dec 31, 2011 06:35pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 809753)
I was speaking of MLB only, not MiLB, as it's an entirely different animal.

You have to work to that level too. So the regular job a D1 guy would have is totally different than a baseball umpire would have in rare cases.

That was my point and why most sports officials have a profession or business on the side. All games are not at the top rate unless you are a Final Four official and you are working consistently in the bigger conferences.

Peace


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