After the shot Foul

[The_Rookie]

Hello,

Recent game, A4 shoots a 3 and B2 crashes into A4 after the ball is released.

Need some help on distinction when the foul is on the shot versus after the shot.

FYI, saw similar play in a VB tourney game that required the 2 officials to huddle briefly.

Thanks and Happy New Year!

[tref]

Airborne shooter until a foot hits the wood.

[BktBallRef]

If the contact occurs after the shooter returns to the floor, he's no longer a shooter. Common foul.

[bainsey]

Freddy posted a document last week that makes it all clear, but I'm having difficulty linking it.

Freddy, you want to take this one?

[Tio]

The shooter is considered to be in the habitual shooting motion until he returns to the floor.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Tio

The shooter is considered to be in the habitual shooting motion until he returns to the floor.

[fullor30]

Was shooter airborne?

Also, offensive team player with ball is known as A1 just to keep thinks simple.

[grunewar]

Airborne shooter or not?

Also, see Rule Book 4-41 Art 1 and Case Book play 4.41.1 - then, what say you?

PS - boy, you guys are fast today! Wow! Jumped all over that one!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

The shooter is considered to be in the habitual shooting motion until he returns to the floor.

Whether a player is in the air or not has nothing to do with his habitual shooting motion.

An airborne shooter is just that, an airborne shooter, until he hits the floor.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Hello,

Recent game, A4 shoots a 3 and B2 crashes into A4 after the ball is released.

Need some help on distinction when the foul is on the shot versus after the shot.

FYI, saw similar play in a VB tourney game that required the 2 officials to huddle briefly.

Thanks and Happy New Year!

The shooting motions begins when the habitual motion begins.

The shooting motions ends when a foot returns to the floor.

[referee99]

A1 pulls up for a 3. B1 is late getting there... momentum+lost balance+trying to box out= creams A1 who had returned to the floor. Just ball out of bounds. Nothing sexy like ball goes in or bonus.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Freddy, you want to take this one?

Already and adequately done by others. Though a bit of foreign terminology kinda snuck in on some of the responses.

[tref]

Originally Posted by referee99

A1 pulls up for a 3. B1 is late getting there... momentum+lost balance+trying to box out= creams A1 who had returned to the floor. Just ball out of bounds. Nothing sexy like ball goes in or bonus.

If the try is successful, count it.

If the offended team is in the bonus, shoot the FTs.

If not, ball OOB.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Hello, Recent game, A4 shoots a 3 and B2 crashes into A4 after the ball is released. Need some help on distinction when the foul is on the shot versus after the shot.

Here's one that is missed all too often due to some officials' tendencies to prioritize following the shot to the basket. Doesn't it sometimes happen that the 3 pointer gets launched, the shooter is displaced backwards onto the floor, and nobody sees for sure why? Least of which -- the one responsible for catching it?
Real important for the PCA official on that one to keep tabs on the shooter and related defender to catch that stuff -- even to determine whether or not the shooter flopped on it. Some have taught that the three point attempt signal doesn't go up until the shooter returns to the floor, as a tool whereby attention to the shooter/defender is maintained before looking to see if the shot is successful.
But then again, I'm preaching to the choir.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Some have taught that the three point attempt signal doesn't go up until the shooter returns to the floor, as a tool whereby attention to the shooter/defender is maintained before looking to see if the shot is successful.

Never heard that one before, IMO that practice opens the door to some integrity issues or at the very least accusations.

How about we signal the attempt when the try is attempted & simply do our jobs by refereeing the shooter up, down & beyond. After all we dont need to follow the flight of the ball to determine if a shot scored.