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Adam Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:23pm

advanced mechanic
 
Watching the end of the Indiana - Michigan State game, during a contested shot underneath, the Lead puts up his hands like a defender maintaining verticality. Seemed odd.

grunewar Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:25pm

Maybe he was signaling "over the back!" :D

Adam Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:25pm

Nice, now we get the traveling signal for a throw in violation.

Rich Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:25pm

I saw it too. One of the top dogs in the Big 10. Looked like he was calling a 3 pointer.

APG Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:26pm

I see that mechanic used all the time in D-I and NBA games.

Rich Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 808960)
Nice, now we get the traveling signal for a throw in violation.

Missed that one. Same guy?

Adam Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 808959)
Maybe he was signaling "over the back!" :D

:) it was a no-call.

Adam Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 808963)
Missed that one. Same guy?

I think so. Older white guy. I'm not convinced he actually left the spot.

rafking Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:34pm

Love the travel call out of bounds. Rookie mistake, not a D1 official.

Welpe Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:48pm

I'm still trying to figure out why the old lead/new trail points the other way after a made basket.

rafking Wed Dec 28, 2011 09:51pm

I guess the new trail is helping the players know which way to run.

knockitoff Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:42pm

Kitts was in U1 position for tipoff (Barone tossed), yet Kitts put the ball in play to start 2nd half.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:46pm

R vs. tosser, perhaps.

knockitoff Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:52pm

Not too often the weak link gets to toss it.

berserkBBK Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:06pm

Saw him make this same signal on a fast break as new lead. It looked like he signaled a made three pointer.

stiffler3492 Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 808971)
I'm still trying to figure out why the old lead/new trail points the other way after a made basket.

I see this in the NBA, in the rare times I turn their games on. Unnecessary in my opinion.

Rich Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by knockitoff (Post 808987)
Kitts was in U1 position for tipoff (Barone tossed), yet Kitts put the ball in play to start 2nd half.

Right, Kitts. He was at Nebraska (vs. Wisconsin) last night. If he's not the Big Ten top dog, he's right up there.

berserkBBK Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 808971)
I'm still trying to figure out why the old lead/new trail points the other way after a made basket.

Telling the new lead to get the hell to the other baseline.
Under 2 minutes in the 4th and in overtime they have to chop the clock or a start of a count.
or
Signal they have last shot.

APG Thu Dec 29, 2011 01:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by berserkBBK (Post 809024)
Telling the new lead to get the hell to the other baseline.
Under 2 minutes in the 4th and in overtime they have to chop the clock or a start of a count.
or
Signal they have last shot.

The point, at least in the NBA, has nothing to do with a timing issue or telling the new lead to get to the other base line and Welpe isn't referring to the signal officials give to indicate last second shot responsibilities. You tend to see the point that Welpe is referring to whenever there's contact that wasn't deemed illegal by the official and I guess the point is a kind of "play-on" signal.

Should also point out that under NBA rules the clock stops on made shots with a minute or less on the clock in the first three quarters and the final two minutes of the fourth quarter/any overtime period. The clock stops on a made basket in the final minute of the second half and any OT period under NCAA rules.

Rich Thu Dec 29, 2011 01:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by berserkBBK (Post 809024)
Telling the new lead to get the hell to the other baseline.
Under 2 minutes in the 4th and in overtime they have to chop the clock or a start of a count.
or
Signal they have last shot.

Under 1 minute in the second half. Sounds like you're talking about some crappy professional league where they play music during live balls and people dance in the aisles rather than watching the game.

Welpe Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 809025)
The point, at least in the NBA, has nothing to do with a timing issue or telling the new lead to get to the other base line and Welpe isn't referring to the signal officials give to indicate last second shot responsibilities. You tend to see the point that Welpe is referring to whenever there's contact that wasn't deemed illegal by the official and I guess the point is a kind of "play-on" signal.

This...although I've seen the point the other way with no contact on an uncontested layup in the middle of the first half. Maybe he is just telling the players time to go the other way now.

Indianaref Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 808960)
Nice, now we get the traveling signal for a throw in violation.

If NCAA is the same as NFHS, I saw the replay and thought the thrower kept at least one foot over the 3' DS.

Tio Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:09pm

That mechanic is in the same book as the "get up" mechanic & the "play on" mechanic.

Welpe Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tio (Post 809105)
That mechanic is in the same book as the "get up" mechanic & the "play on" mechanic.

So in other words, soccer signals are invading NCAA D1?

Adam Thu Dec 29, 2011 03:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 809078)
If NCAA is the same as NFHS, I saw the replay and thought the thrower kept at least one foot over the 3' DS.

That's what I thought while watching it.

tref Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:10am

My thoughts
 
IMO using approved signals/mechanics for the level one is currently working is one thing.
Signals used for non-verbal communication is another.

The game is about communication now more than ever & if we cant talk during live ball other things can be done to let one know that we heard them.

I dont care for the "get up" too much because thats telling a player what to do, but the "he's vertical, nothing there" the "directional play on point" the "no travel, he bobbled it" & the "it's a block" (clapping hands up & down after the play NOT the tipping signal during the play) are all great non-verbal communication tools! It's the same as when we nod our heads or give a thumbs up signal to coaches/players. Some things need to be addressed immediately or we'll have to sling Ts around... not that we are afraid to do that, but if we can avoid it by giving a gesture to answer a concern during live play why not do so??

I use each of those tools in the games work, yes, including HS games & it works for me. I've been told during & after games that my willingness to listen & respond is much appreciated.


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