Sounds like something an idiot fan would ask.

What a stupid remark.

funny, but if true, sad

Let's keep religion out of this :D

my kids are allowed to have an opinion, my kids are sometimes right, my kids should not be baited by adults - kids always lose under those circumstances.

You have forgotten what a 6th graders life is like. Go to any grade school and you will hear kids (not mine, I believe) using more colorful language. I understand tone and disagreement play a factor, but the OP does not cross a line with me.

Do to a formatting error, I missed that one. I'm doubting at this point whether 7iron is an actual official.

My answer: yes, so?

Can I join the club?

Of course you would say that, unreasonable people see it as an attack, when it is simply a question of reference.

As players we have all said something under our breath from time to time. As an official we say things under our breath. As spouses, employees, etc. we say things under our breath. Is it best that every comment be penalized? Not in my opinion.

I said, the entire post. You missed the line above regarding under one's breath.

I'll give far more leeway to a high school player than to a sixth grader regarding under-one's-breath comments. A sixth grader will get no leeway at all. I'd also go right to a T, even if it were under his breath.

Ultimately, though, Welpe summed it up nicely. Mostly, these are HTBT situations.

No, he doesn't see it as an attack. He sees it as an irrelevant question that only a fan or parent would ask.

As a spouse, if and when I say things under my breath, I'd better hope it's truly under my breath and my wife doesn't hear it. Like I said before, if I can hear it, it's not under his breath.

Sure, I'm guessing neither of us is first or second.

I see it for what it is, something that I've only heard from ignorant people like fans and coaches who think you had to have played a game to be able to officiate it. It's IRRELEVANT.

And again, everyone but you seems to agree, if I hear it then he did NOT say it under his breath. For all we know he meant to say it loud enough for the closest official to hear it. Happens all the time.


I'm not saying that I would T this up. But it's certainly not appropriate! And if I didn't T it, you can better believe I'll let the kid know it's not acceptable behavior.

We will leave it at funny........

I have two kids who are doing really well in all areas, thank you , and probably what I'm most proud of is they treat people with respect. How shallow to think if everyone is using foul language, it's ok to lower the bar. Not how I was raised.

Yep, and I happen to have a sixth grader sitting next to me watching TV right now. No way I'd back her up on this. She'd be apologizing to the official.

And it's not the word "crap" for me, either. He could have said "that call was a bunch of garbage" and my response would be the same.

appreciate the bantor
 

Thanks for offering of opinions as always. I accept that people see it differently and I agree with HTBT, but the OP presented it for discussion, the context is what was stated.

Not that it matters, but I really am an official (level does not matter, but if you need to know, you can PM me).

For those of you that said this is a TF, good luck calling it consistently and stop baiting 6th graders.:D

+1

We're the role models here. We're supposed to be setting the bar, not adjusting it to their desires.

Yes, and for another reason. NEVER have I met an official that NEVER played the game. Some certainly played at higher levels than others, but none have never played, at least not to my knowledge.

Actually, my definition differs here a bit. If I believe I'm the ONLY one that heard it, and the words weren't directed at anyone, then I'd call that under one's breath.

I don't get what you think is so difficult about this.

Fair enough, but there's nothing about "under his breath" in the rules that makes it legal. The point is, if it's loud enough for an official to hear it, it's loud enough to be susceptible to a T.

A coach addressing his players doesn't get a free pass just because he's talking to his players. Had a YMCA coach discussing the foul count with the table at half time; I addressed it with her.

If you change the setting in this situation from the basketball court to the 6th grade math class or the 6th grader's own home and the teacher or parent respond's with "what did you say ??"......

It's not baiting.

If the kid repeats the comment, he should get punished.