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mplagrow Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:13pm

Justise charge?
 
Top forward flattens defender with dunk, is immediately ejected - Prep Rally - High SchoolBlog - Yahoo! Sports

Watched it a few times. The defender on the block wasn't setting to take a charge, quite frankly he was just standing there not paying attention. I still have a charge, though. Any thoughts on the two technicals? Hard to see what the first was for, but the salute was obvious.

APG Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:25pm

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Cobra Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:46pm

The coach of the team on the far bench is standing on the other side of the division line, on the court. But he looks to be 1 step away from his chair. What a terrible setup.

deecee Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:51pm

That was an obvious charge that the defender was trying to take. Don't know about the 2 techs, but one yes.

Jeremy Hohn Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:52pm

They stated in the Yahoo article that he stared down the kid he dunked on. Totally not the case if you ask me....the Salute deserved one, the other I think the official wanted to get the same stage time as the dunk!

BktBallRef Mon Dec 26, 2011 02:03pm

Don't believe everything you read. My guess is he yelled something he shouldn't have yelled, as he clearly didn't didn't even turn toward the flopper. He cleared yelled something and the L never hesitated.

I got nothing on the play. This isn't a charge. The defender was turning, bailing, and flopping before the shooter ever arrived. And from what I can tell, no official whistled or signaled a foul.

As for the coach standing at the division line, he's required to sit inside the box in order to use the coaching box. Where the chair is on the end of the bench has nothing to do with where the coach is allowed to stand.

Cobra Mon Dec 26, 2011 02:32pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 808329)
I got nothing on the play. This isn't a charge. The defender was turning, bailing, and flopping before the shooter ever arrived.

The only problem is that the rules specifically allow the defender to turn to absorb the shock of the contact, and that is not considered flopping. The defender is standing there and doesn't turn until after the shooter leaves the ground and is about to jump through his face.

Camron Rust Mon Dec 26, 2011 02:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 808330)
The only problem is that the rules specifically allow the defender to turn to absorb the shock of the contact, and that is not considered flopping. The defender is standing there and doesn't turn until after the shooter leaves the ground and is about to jump through his face.

Agreed...charge....the shooter went through the defender in the process of getting to the rim. The defender doesn't have lose have his teeth for it to be a charge. He can turn to protect himself as he did.

BktBallRef Mon Dec 26, 2011 03:02pm

Very little contact at all. The shooter's knee brushes the flopper's shoulder as he flies by.

There was no charging call made on the play made by any of the three officials, nor should there have been.

Fouls aren't called based on what's about to or could happen, at least not in my games.

ga314ref Mon Dec 26, 2011 04:20pm

I agree...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 808329)
Don't believe everything you read. My guess is he yelled something he shouldn't have yelled, as he clearly didn't didn't even turn toward the flopper. He cleared yelled something and the L never hesitated.

I got nothing on the play. This isn't a charge. The defender was turning, bailing, and flopping before the shooter ever arrived. And from what I can tell, no official whistled or signaled a foul.

As for the coach standing at the division line, he's required to sit inside the box in order to use the coaching box. Where the chair is on the end of the bench has nothing to do with where the coach is allowed to stand.

...the defender had the call up until he flopped. I would have had nothing.

And Sailor Jerry is now on my "never buy" list.

BillyMac Mon Dec 26, 2011 04:30pm

I Don't Even Like Spiced Rum ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ga314ref (Post 808348)
And Sailor Jerry is now on my "never buy" list.

I, too, was getting pretty sick of that advertisement.

referee99 Mon Dec 26, 2011 04:36pm

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just another ref Mon Dec 26, 2011 05:16pm

discretion is the better part of valor?
 
Notice #12 and his "help" defense.

Camron Rust Mon Dec 26, 2011 05:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ga314ref (Post 808348)
...the defender had the call up until he flopped. I would have had nothing.

Flopping is "faking" being fouled, not leaving early for protection or to soften the impact. Turning away or bailing out to save your teeth is NO reason for the defender to not earn a charge. It is thinking like this that have led the NCAA to add the RA....too many officials were just not making these calls either way, taking the easy way out with a no call.

HawkeyeCubP Mon Dec 26, 2011 06:44pm

From the limited look of this camera angle, I'm leaning toward a no-call on the play. I don't have thatcontact causing thatresult.


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