Table Authority and 5th Foul

[Toren]

Originally Posted by packersowner

2. Team A throws the ball in, A1 scores a basket but while the ball is in flight, the table buzzes the horn.

Apparently the officials at that point stopped the game

So everyone agrees the officials stopped the game during the flight of the ball?

And, everyone is saying, count the basket and POI is endline throw in? Am I reading everyone correctly?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Toren

So everyone agrees the officials stopped the game during the flight of the ball?

And, everyone is saying, count the basket and POI is endline throw in? Am I reading everyone correctly?

I don't know how we can make it any clearer.

Once a shot is in flight, only a whistle for a PC foul by an airborne shooter causes the ball to become dead. Otherwise, the shot is good if it goes.

It's no different that a whistle for a double foul while a shot is in flight.

EDIT: And for Scrapper, an elbow swinging violation while the ball is in flight, something I've never called or seen.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Once a shot is in flight, only a whistle for a PC foul by an airborne shooter causes the ball to become dead. Otherwise, the shot is good if it goes.

What if a member of the shooting team swings his/her elbows excessively to get rebounding space?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Once a shot is in flight, only a whistle for a PC foul by an airborne shooter causes the ball to become dead.

I think we know what you are saying, but a part of the earlier confusion was about what made the ball dead, the whistle or the horn. With that in mind, perhaps it should be pointed out that in this case, it is not the whistle which makes the ball dead, but the foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I think we know what you are saying, but a part of the earlier confusion was about what made the ball dead, the whistle or the horn.

I wasn't addressing just the OP. I was addressing Toren's earlier reply, pasted below. He was of the opinion that a whistle causes a shot in flight to become dead.

Originally Posted by Toren

The Horn doesn't make the ball dead, the whistle makes the ball dead. So if the officials blew their whistles while the ball was in flight, that was on the officiating crew.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Toren

So everyone agrees the officials stopped the game during the flight of the ball?

And, everyone is saying, count the basket and POI is endline throw in? Am I reading everyone correctly?

Yes you are. Violations against the team shooting the ball and PC fouls against an airborne shooter are the only things that would disallow the basket.