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whistleone Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:45pm

No 3-point line at 19' 9"
 
A local boys high school tournament is played on a college campus. With the recent change of the women's college 3-point distance, combined with the university installing a new court there is no 3-point line marked at 19' 9" (only one at 20' 9"). Rule 1 Section 4 tells us about the distance of the 3-point line but there is no case book ruling pertaining to the lack of a line. The venue is refusing to put a taped line down for the high school tournament. A girl's tournament held this week had the same issue and used the women's college line.

Has anyone run into a similar situation? If so, what was done to resolve it?

JRutledge Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:48pm

Really??

If they do this in very big arenas like the United Center or major arenas, why would they hold a tournament and not put the proper line down? That sounds so silly and petty.

Peace

BktBallRef Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:55pm

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Originally Posted by whistleone (Post 807644)
Has anyone run into a similar situation? If so, what was done to resolve it?

What choice is there? You use the court as is.

asdf Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:17pm

Happens in football all the time when high school games are played at either college or pro venues.

The goal posts are not as wide, nor are the hash marks.

Play it as marked.

SNIPERBBB Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:19pm

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Originally Posted by whistleone (Post 807644)
A local boys high school tournament is played on a college campus. With the recent change of the women's college 3-point distance, combined with the university installing a new court there is no 3-point line marked at 19' 9" (only one at 20' 9"). Rule 1 Section 4 tells us about the distance of the 3-point line but there is no case book ruling pertaining to the lack of a line. The venue is refusing to put a taped line down for the high school tournament. A girl's tournament held this week had the same issue and used the women's college line.

Has anyone run into a similar situation? If so, what was done to resolve it?


Whoever runs the tournament needs to find a venue that has this kind of thing available before trying to get them to conform THEIR court to what they need.

zm1283 Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by asdf (Post 807653)
Happens in football all the time when high school games are played at either college or pro venues.

The goal posts are not as wide, nor are the hash marks.

Play it as marked.

You're probably right, but our team that I coach with played in the state championship game this year at an NFL stadium. They paint the high school hash marks on the field, paint hash marks where the high school numbers are (Closer to the sideline), and they even brought in high school goalposts. I played in the state championship in high school several years back and they didn't bring in the goalposts back then. They looked like Arena league goalposts compared to what we were used to.

Raymond Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:51pm

I had this last weekend on a college court. Neither coach said anything. And of course the game was won with a last second 3-pointer. The kid hit 6 three's, all at least a good 6-12" behind the college arc.

refiator Fri Dec 23, 2011 01:15am

When in Rome.......:rolleyes:

Rich Fri Dec 23, 2011 01:55am

A foot isn't really that big of a difference. Personally, I can't believe they didn't move the college line back even more.

26 Year Gap Fri Dec 23, 2011 08:48am

I suppose you could give them 3 if the shooter's foot was on the line.:rolleyes:

whistleone Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:01am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 807752)
I suppose you could give them 3 if the shooter's foot was on the line.:rolleyes:

That is actually one of the ideas being suggested. I can see that causing problems for players and officials.

26 Year Gap Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:18am

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Originally Posted by whistleone (Post 807766)
That is actually one of the ideas being suggested. I can see that causing problems for players and officials.

Hence, the eye roll. What if a guy has big feet and a heel on the 20-9 line might mean toes would be on a 19-9 line (if it were there)?

BktBallRef Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:23pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 807657)
You're probably right, but our team that I coach with played in the state championship game this year at an NFL stadium. They paint the high school hash marks on the field, paint hash marks where the high school numbers are (Closer to the sideline), and they even brought in high school goalposts. I played in the state championship in high school several years back and they didn't bring in the goalposts back then. They looked like Arena league goalposts compared to what we were used to.

Not unusual for state championship games. But for other games, that usually doesn't happen.

JRutledge Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by whistleone (Post 807766)
That is actually one of the ideas being suggested. I can see that causing problems for players and officials.

Why would it cause a problem for us? If they do not put down the proper line, we play with what we got. It will hurt the players more because they will have to take a shot further out and I am sure some would have a mental block to do that. If the arena wants to be lazy and the teams are OK playing the game under these circumstances, I am not going to do more work for their benefit.

Peace

Mark Padgett Fri Dec 23, 2011 01:02pm

Because of some scheduling situations, our local kids rec league has to play some girls and boys HS games in an old elementary school gym and there's no 3 point line at all. We discussed it with the school district and told them that we would pay to get one painted on the court. They said no, but didn't really give us a reason. So now we're playing some HS games with no 3 point line at all. I worked two games there one night two weeks ago and my hand inadvertently went up quite a few times during the boys games when they took long shots. My partner did the same thing. It's just force of habit, I guess.


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