5-1-2 "Player control foul after a goal?"
 

Re. 5-1-2, "If a player-control foul occurs before or after a goal, the goal is canceled."

In what situation could a player-control foul occur after a goal?

Airborne shooter.

A1 shoots the floater in the lane...swish
Upon returning to the floor A1 crashes into B1... p/c send it up north!

That would be a pushing foul on A1. Basket counts.

Yup, in NCAA-M

Nfhs too once the shooter lands he is just another player on the court.

Hmmmm did I misread the question or did you :D

Actually, it would be ignored in all codes, unless it was intentional (aka Flagrant 1) or flagrant (2). And, then, it would be a T.

Now, if tref said, "...BEFORE returning to the floor ..." we'd have a PC foul in FED and NCAAW and a common foul in NCAAM

Before/Upon... endline/baseline... player control/offense :D

You did.

Once an airborne shooter returns to the floor, it is no longer a player control foul when he crashes into a defender.

Really?? :eek:

Forget Rosetta Stone bring that Hooked on Phonics back!!

Reading is FUNdamental :rolleyes:

Or have someone else read it to you.

Nah have someone read it to you!

These are not the same.

Your example does not meet the requirements of the OP. So, either you read the question wrong, or you answered incorrectly.

Okay, if a shooter scores on a try & crashes into the defender BEFORE returning to the playing surface then we dont count the basket because of a p/c foul in HS.

Around here you can really tell when people dont have a game to work.

Time for Facebook...

Agreed -- as several said in the first few responses.

Because they try to pass antonyms off as synonyms? And cover it up with multiple emoticons? :rolleyes::p:eek:

Around here you can really tell when people dont have a game to work.

Not at all, I have a game tomorrow & Saturday.

Wow, this thread lasted 12 extra posts because of linguistic issues.

Awesome!

Sorry Snaqs, I should've got it right the first time. But if this were the end of February I highly doubt such a fuss would've been made...

Nah, I knew both what you meant and where you went wrong. It made me laugh. My wife is constantly getting on me for correcting her when I know what she meant.

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The opponent grabs the ball and steamrolls the guy who just scored on his way OOB to throw it in.

Are you sure about that? You'd call that a PC foul?

Remember, the ball is dead until the player has the ball ready for the throwin...if he is still inbounds, he's not ready unless you've deemed he is delaying and have started your count. As such, you can't have a PC foul....and not even a common foul. The only thing you can have is a intentional/flagrant....which becomes a T.

I knew what you meant....so did everyone else. They should have just pointed out that your exact wording was wrong.

Actually, I have met officials who thought that the rule was (more or less) as he worded it -- that if A1 contacted B1 upon (meaning "immediately after") returning to the floor, it was a PC foul. Different officials have (incorrectly) said the "PC foul period" lasts until both feet are on the floor, or through "continuous motion", or until A1 came to a stop or turned the other direction, ...

Does This Explain It?
 

How does that jive with 4-12-6? "Neither team control nor player control exists during a dead ball, a jump ball or when the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal".

Is that because of 4-19-6: "A player-control foul is a common foul committed by a player while he/she is in control of the ball or by an airborne shooter"?

(Getting picky 'cuz this is being asked of my by a guy I'm mentoring and I don't want to be general with him since I'm teaching him to be specific)

Scrimmage play
 

In a scrimmage game before the official season started, we had this play. It may not be exactly what you're looking for but I thought I would throw it out there.

A5 on a fast break jumps from outside the paint. B1 established legal guard position and is waiting for the contact. I was the trail. The Lead has a great angle at the play. A5 jumps over B1 and dunks the ball. But as he is jumping over him, his ankles and feet hit B1 in the torso as B1 hits the floor.

It was athletic like whoa. But the ball was through the goal and the L correctly waived it off and called a player control.

That's it exactly -- it's how you can have a PC foul without having PC.

Finis
 

Thank you for that response!

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You can post it as large as you like, you were still wrong. It's still not a PC foul when an airborne shooter returns to the floor and crashes into a defender.

I don't know what you meant. I just know what YOU posted. I'm only expected to read my wife's mind.

Off to my games, now.

Fixed it for ya!