Did I drop kick one?

fullor30

KJUmp wrote
fullor30 wrote
Executive director? What's that? Who do you work for? The Gestapo? 🙂[/QUOTE
Executive Director of the state high school athletic association. The governing body of all high school sports in our state.

I will say I don't email coaches to snuggle up to them for better ratings or favors. I've had rules questioned before by a coach and have told them I would provide it to them. I'm friendly with a couple of coaches and on occasion they've called or emailed me for some summer scrimmages. I've never heard of anyone being told not to email coaches or ADs in my area.

But like anything else, I just follow orders, so If IHSA said don't, I don't.

Johnny Ringo

Based on OP ... I agree with Nevada & say no violation.

I have tried to teach my dog the simple trick of rolling over. He almost gets there, but that goes back to original position. By defenition: he does not complete the roll over.

No Travel.

AKOFL

can you teach him to start a dribble then you can forget about the rolling over thing. 😀

BktBallRef

fullor30 wrote
Girls varsity tonight. A1 is on floor( I can't remember how she got there, loose ball and she recovered probably) holding ball while on her back defenders are reaching down trying to grab ball. A1 swings arms from side to side slightly rolling from side to side(let's call it one cheek up if you will) Shoulders turning almost perpendicular to floor to give you a visual.

I call travel. Coach disagrees, I tell him it's a travel by rule he tells me no it isn't.

'A player while on his/her back may pass shoot dribble or call a timeout. He/she may not roll over' per casebook4-44-5b is all I could find. is the act of rolling travelling? Is rolling over just that, rolling over? I couldn't find anything else to support my case, so did I kick it? I felt the girl was gaining an advantage from rocking from side to side.

Clearly, it may be a 'I have to see it' moment. Is the fact she was rolling enough to justify my call?

Bring it on, I promised to email coach ruling and I may have to choose fried, poached or scrambled egg on my face.

I will say, I've never had my judgement questioned before in this situation on many levels of ball.

Unless she rolls from her back to her side, I have nothing.

And there's no such thing as a pivot cheeck, no matter what MTD and Billy Mac think.

BktBallRef

ga314ref wrote
...without rolling? If you roll, you have traveled, even if it's a cheek, and thank goodness for compression shorts -- all players should wear them.

Really? Where I can read this?

My rule book and case book says "roll over," not "roll."

Sometimes, I think people are just looking for an excuse to blow the whistle.

Camron Rust

BktBallRef wrote
Really? Where I can read this?

My rule book and case book says "roll over," not "roll."

Sometimes, I think people are just looking for an excuse to blow the whistle.

Agree.

zm1283

BktBallRef wrote
Really? Where I can read this?

My rule book and case book says "roll over," not "roll."

Sometimes, I think people are just looking for an excuse to blow the whistle.

Camron Rust wrote
Agree.

Agree with you guys, bainsey, and Nevada. Roll over means you roll over, not rock from side to side. If a player rolls to their other side (back to front or front to back) I will call a travel. Otherwise, play on.

Adam

BktBallRef wrote
Unless she rolls from her back to her side, I have nothing.

And there's no such thing as a pivot cheeck, no matter what MTD and Billy Mac think.

Thank you. I'm so tired of hearing that crap.

Camron Rust

zm1283 wrote
Agree with you guys, bainsey, and Nevada. Roll over means you roll over, not rock from side to side. If a player rolls to their other side (back to front or front to back) I will call a travel. Otherwise, play on.

Well, I'm not as liberal as you may think I am. I'm not going to call a travel if they're just rocking around a bit but I will if they go from flat on their back fully to one side. I interpret that to be rolling over.....they're on a different side of their body than they started.

JugglingReferee

zm1283 wrote
Agree with you guys, bainsey, and Nevada. Roll over means you roll over, not rock from side to side. If a player rolls to their other side (back to front or front to back) I will call a travel. Otherwise, play on.

So you allow them to roll to one side, but not the other?

BillyMac

JugglingReferee wrote
So you allow them to roll to one side, but not the other?

How about 90 degrees left, then back to flat on the floor, and then 90 degrees right? This is a travel everyday of the week here in the Constitution State.

fullor30

BillyMac wrote
How about 90 degrees left, then back to flat on the floor, and then 90 degrees right? This is a travel everyday of the week here in the Constitution State.

You could say she was rolling over from side to side. I'm sure we are all in agreement its poorly written.

zm1283

JugglingReferee wrote
So you allow them to roll to one side, but not the other?

No. If it sounded that way it wasn't what I meant. I don't allow them to roll 180 degrees like Nevada said earlier. If they're laying on their stomach and roll to their back, I call a travel. If they're laying on their stomach and "rock" to one side to throw a pass, I leave it alone.

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