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"You suck"
Middle school player looks partner in the eye and mouths "you suck" as he goes to table to report the foul. Partner immediately calls the TF. At the end of the qtr I found out what the kid said. Seems to me the blantant disrespect deserved ejection. Are a couple of foul shots and the ball enough penalty here?
For the record, the kid was wrong. |
Are you asking should the action have been considered flagrant?
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I'd have tossed him. In fact, I believe I'd have tossed him from any of the sports I do.
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In middle school, there's no question I'd toss this kid.
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8th grade. Buh-bye.
And then I would have my eighth grade son kick his butt in the parking lot. :D |
"You sit"
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"You done." :D
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that's the time you pull a bar of soap out of your pocket and give it to him with instructions to use it on his mouth.
But then a classroom teacher can't do that today, so what can you expect from MS students? It's awful. |
"Whack! Get out!"
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So we all agree that's a flagrant in middle school.
High school? |
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In baseball, it would be an immediate ejection. I know it seems like a double standard, but we deal with those all the time. A basketball coach wouldn't get away with nearly as much as football coaches do. |
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Definitely a "T". Not so sure I'd rule it flagrant, unless it was loud enough for all to hear.
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From the definition of a flagrant foul:
".....a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct." I consider it to be unacceptable for a kid of any age to tell an official that he sucks. |
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Player: "Ref, you suck!"
Official: "Only when I use a straw ... And, by the way, that's expensive!" ... Whack! |
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Peace |
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"If technical, it involves dead-ball contact or noncontact at any time which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive conduct. |
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"You Suck"? Not vulgar in my opinion. Definitely at Tech though.
Now once a college player called me a S.O.B, needless to say that wasn't a hard decision to make. |
I have never called a flagrant T on anybody.
And in reflecting back on techs I have called I now realize I have never called a T on a coach for cursing. All the T's I've called on coaches have been for either outbursts and/or sideline antics. Plenty of T's on players for cursing, but never anything flagrant or even close that I can remember. |
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I have ejected one coach in my career. It wasn't a flagarant, although it could've been so. But it was his 2d T so it was effective non the less. The coach yelled to my partner after the final horn as we were running off the court "You guys f---ing suck." When my partner told me what he said it was a pleasant short walk back to his bench to come up to him and assess him the T. My words were as follows, "Coach,since we have not left the visual confines of the floor, I am going to assess you a T for your outburst at my partner. Enjoy your vacation." (2 game suspensiom, $100 fine) |
Difference in fouls
So help me get this straight: (in broad terms, the last being where I'm confused)
Intentional: end of game, team A needs a foul and clearly is not going for the ball when they push a member of team B. Not too crazy, but they'd been warned. Technical: player drops loud f bomb, coach gets carried away, etc. ( here is where I'm confused) Flagrant Technical: A punch is thrown(that one is fairly clear, I think). Low bridge, if intentional? Saying "you suck"? (seems like a tech and a zero leash IMO) With the administration of this call, do you point to the door, signal a tech, then clarify with the table the level of the technical? |
You have your base calls of a personal fouls and technical fouls.
Personal foul=live ball contact Technical foul=dead ball or noncontact fouls Personal fouls and technical fouls have different modifiers that describe what kind of foul it can be. That's where you get your double personal fouls, double technical fouls, intentional personal fouls, intentional technical foul, etc. There is technically no official signal for when one had to DQ a player/ejected a coach. You just report the foul as a flagrant foul/T, inform the coach, tell the table to put 20 on the clock, and inform the player. |
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If you can't handle a "you suck" that isn't even being verbalized without tossing a kid, I'd have to agree with him. A "T" is warranted, but nothing else.
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Who said it had to be vulgar? Ever read the NCHSAA Ejection Policy? There's an item there under #5, "Disprespectfully addressing an official." Or do you think that "You suck" is a respectful thing for a 12 y/o to say to an adult? And if you're going to use NCHSAA has your user name, then you need to make sure you're responding to appropriately to such questions. Quote:
Technical foul, ejection, and whatever consequences come along with that. My guess is most kids won't make that same mistake again. |
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I'll sleep well that night. |
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Nothing wrong with it. Doesn't make you overly sensitive or me a doormat. Just the way it is. |
[QUOTE=BktBallRef;806170]Your opinion doesn't matter. If that occurs in an NCHSAA game, then you'd better eject him.
Who said it had to be vulgar? Ever read the NCHSAA Ejection Policy? There's an item there under #5, "Disprespectfully addressing an official." Or do you think that "You suck" is a respectful thing for a 12 y/o to say to an adult? And if you're going to use NCHSAA has your user name, then you need to make sure you're responding to appropriately to such questions. If opinions didn't matter then why is everyone posting on this forum? It's all opinionated responses. So, "You stink" or any other disrespecting remark is an automatic ejection? To the post where the player mouthed "you suck" I am going with a T, if a real turd then I could live with tossing him. Yelling it out, yes their gone. I am in Tennessee to answer your remark regarding NCHSAA. |
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Had a girl from Eastern Europe call me a SOB in her native language. Had to laugh when one of her English speaking teammates told her that you cannot curse these officials they will give you a T. :)
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