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loners4me Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:23pm

Handshake or Fist pound?
 
This one has been bugging me lately. No consistency. Some old school refs will only handshake and the youngsters all pound. Me....I dont care but make it universal. It looks silly when you do one thing, your partner does another and the player does the opposite.

Also, does it change when your dealing with player?coach? partners?table?

JRutledge Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:27pm

I fist pound. Then again why would you care what your partner's do on something as trivial as this?

Peace

SNIPERBBB Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:42pm

Handshakes here to players and coaches and fist pound our partners before going to the spots for the tip-off.

Adam Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 804896)
I fist pound. Then again why would you care what your partner's do on something as trivial as this?

Peace

Same here on both points.

knockitoff Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:49pm

Handshakes to coaches. Fists to players & pardners. Pards also get "attaboys".

tomegun Thu Dec 15, 2011 01:17am

I will shake a coaches hand, bump fists with players and bump fists with my partners...in the locker room. I don't need/want the attention that waiting to run out while I bump fists with my partners may bring. [shrug] just a Tomism.

I also agree with others, what difference does it make what your partners do?

deecee Thu Dec 15, 2011 02:28am

*** grab?

constable Thu Dec 15, 2011 03:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 804898)
Handshakes here to players and coaches and fist pound our partners before going to the spots for the tip-off.


+1. My assignor ripped me a new one for giving the captains a fist bump so now it's reserved for partners.

grunewar Thu Dec 15, 2011 05:13am

When in Rome.....
 
Last yr our Association "directed" we do the handshake for players (we always did that for captains and coaches). A lot of folks didn't like that because of flu season and all - just sayin.

Now, new Association, we seem to be back to fist bumps for players, hand shakes for captains and coaches, and of course fist bumps for us right before tipoff.....so much to remember! :p

Scrapper1 Thu Dec 15, 2011 08:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 804947)
+1. My assignor ripped me a new one for giving the captains a fist bump so now it's reserved for partners.

Your assignor doesn't have enough things to worry about, apparently. What a stupid thing to rip somebody for. :rolleyes:

Welpe Thu Dec 15, 2011 08:41am

Shake hands with coaches, fist bump with players and chest bump partners, especially after a solid call.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 15, 2011 08:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by loners4me (Post 804895)
It looks silly

No, it doesn't.

zm1283 Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:02am

I always shake coaches' hands. I fist bump with players because I don't want to shake all of their dirty hands during the middle of winter. With partners, it just depends on who it is and what they do.

RookieDude Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:08am

Hand shake captains and coaches...fist bump players during introductions (I wouldn't care if they banned this completely. I will have plenty of time to interact with players DURING the game.)...hand shake with partners.

bainsey Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 805011)
I always shake coaches' hands. I fist bump with players because I don't want to shake all of their dirty hands during the middle of winter.

That's how I did it, but our board just received instructions last week that it's always a handshake, not a fist bump. Roman Law rules again.

RookieDude Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 805011)
I fist bump with players because I don't want to shake all of their dirty hands during the middle of winter.

...do you touch that dirty ball that "all their dirty hands during the middle of winter" has been touching?:p

Adam Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 805025)
That's how I did it, but our board just received instructions last week that it's always a handshake, not a fist bump. Roman Law rules again.

Wow, did someone actually complain? Or are they being proactive solving a nonexistent problem?

Refsmitty Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:49am

Damn funny one!

bainsey Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 805034)
Wow, did someone actually complain? Or are they being proactive solving a nonexistent problem?

Somebody must have said something. I guess they believe handshakes look more professional.

Adam Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:56am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 805037)
Somebody must have said something. I guess they believe handshakes look more professional.

Probably

rockyroad Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:58am

Handshake with coaches and captains...

When players are introduced and come past us, I do whatever is the opposite of what my partners are doing. If they shake, I fist bump. If they fist bump, I go for the high five...and I change from player to player.

Why? I just love watching the players fumble around trying to figure it out! :)

It's the simple things in life that bring me joy.

ref2coach Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:02am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 805044)
Handshake with coaches and captains...

When players are introduced and come past us, I do whatever is the opposite of what my partners are doing. If they shake, I fist bump. If they fist bump, I go for the high five...and I change from player to player.

Why? I just love watching the players fumble around trying to figure it out! :)

It's the simple things in life that bring me joy.


LOL, We must be Brothers from another Mother. Works best when you are in the middle of your partners. Really screws with their mind. :D

Rich Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:17am

In Wisconsin high school basketball, players are not allowed to shake hands with opponents or officials. Period. The starters for the visiting team are announced and then the starters from the home team are announced and they all stay near the foul line by their respective benches.

Sounds a bit uptight, but I actually like not having the parade of handshakes.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 805025)
That's how I did it, but our board just received instructions last week that it's always a handshake, not a fist bump. Roman Law rules again.

I'd prefer they go to the NCAAW protocol -- no handshakes / fist bumps etc. during the player introductions.

bainsey Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 805051)
In Wisconsin high school basketball, players are not allowed to shake hands with opponents or officials. Period.

A few veteran officials tried to push that here, too. It didn't go anywhere.

I was glad, actually. Anything that discourages sportsmanship isn't a good idea, IMO. I can only see a negative impact this can have on player-official relations.

Adam Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:25am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 805056)
A few veteran officials tried to push that here, too. It didn't go anywhere.

I was glad, actually. Anything that discourages sportsmanship isn't a good idea, IMO. I can only see a negative impact this can have on player-official relations.

I think you're overblowing the impact of this little exercise.

zm1283 Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:50am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 805033)
...do you touch that dirty ball that "all their dirty hands during the middle of winter" has been touching?:p

Yes, I do. I know it is the same, but it just gives me the heebie-jeebies. I wash my hands or apply hand sanitizer immediately after games and sometimes at halftime as well.

The only time I shake players' hands is right before the captain's meeting. That's also the only time that players shake each other's hands.

I wouldn't be against ending the handshake parade before games. (Starters running to us and then the other team's coach)

bainsey Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 805060)
I think you're overblowing the impact of this little exercise.

I don't think so.

If you're a teenager that's instructed not to shake hands/fist bump with officials, you see us in a different, inaccessible light. It's a little thing, but it has a ripple effect on impressions.

Conversely, fist bumping opens things up for the kids, a little more than handshaking, IMO. (Handshaking is still the way to go for coaches, I say.) This act is very common in soccer around here (mostly post-game, some pre-game) and I see a difference it has on relations.

Does it eradicate problems completely? Of course not. However, the crap factor is certainly lessened when you've made positive contact previously.

Bad Zebra Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 805033)
...do you touch that dirty ball that "all their dirty hands during the middle of winter" has been touching?:p

Funny comments...but I do carry a small bottle of Germ-X in my bag and apply at halftime. Lots of nasty stuff out here and you can bet the balls you're handling (no Sandusky references please) are covered in germs. :D

derwil Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:28pm

We usually shake hands with coaches, then do flying chest bumps with the players. After the starters are introduced the announcer will introduce the referees and then it's SHOWTIME!!!!.....we have a little skit where the two umpires draw pistols at each other and pretend to be in a gunfight. At the same time the referee starts doing some swanky dancing to some urban hit music. SOLDJA BOYYYYYYYYYYY! POW! We all end up spread eagle on the ground, the umpires from shooting each other and the R because that what swanky people do....yo.

rockyroad Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 805046)
LOL, We must be Brothers from another Mother. Works best when you are in the middle of your partners. Really screws with their mind. :D

No, no, no...I move from one end of the line to the other when they switch to the other team. That way I am always last in line. A lot of the kids around here know what I'm up to by now! :)

Adam Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 805065)
I don't think so.

If you're a teenager that's instructed not to shake hands/fist bump with officials, you see us in a different, inaccessible light. It's a little thing, but it has a ripple effect on impressions.

Conversely, fist bumping opens things up for the kids, a little more than handshaking, IMO. (Handshaking is still the way to go for coaches, I say.) This act is very common in soccer around here (mostly post-game, some pre-game) and I see a difference it has on relations.

Does it eradicate problems completely? Of course not. However, the crap factor is certainly lessened when you've made positive contact previously.

I've done games both ways, and there's been no difference. Games with no introductions don't have the pregame handshake or fist bump. You're obviously free to disagree, but my experience tells me you're wrong.

Respect comes from the coach, and they're all perfectly capable of teaching it without the crutch of a handshake.

junruh07 Thu Dec 15, 2011 06:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 805044)
Handshake with coaches and captains...

When players are introduced and come past us, I do whatever is the opposite of what my partners are doing. If they shake, I fist bump. If they fist bump, I go for the high five...and I change from player to player.

Why? I just love watching the players fumble around trying to figure it out! :)

It's the simple things in life that bring me joy.

I worked a V game where the crew all three try to do something different. I adopted this for the rare JH game that does introductions, and those poor kids have no idea what to do when they get to me. Maybe I should stop because it is probably unprofessional to laugh with your partner during player introductions.

Danvrapp Thu Dec 15, 2011 07:57pm

Here in NE Ohio, all the assosciations suggest we fistbump the players, shake hands with partners, and chest bump all coaches. :D

BillyMac Thu Dec 15, 2011 08:43pm

On The Lips ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knockitoff (Post 804903)
Handshakes to coaches. Fists to players & pardners.

If she's hot, she gets a hug and a kiss. Coaches and partners. Not players. I don't want to officiate games in prison.

Raymond Fri Dec 16, 2011 09:13am

There's a prominent D2 assignor in this area of the country who doesn't want his officials shaking hands or fist bumping with the players during introductions.

bainsey Fri Dec 16, 2011 09:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 805167)
I don't want to officiate games in prison.

It would certainly give new meaning to backcourt violation.

JRutledge Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 805276)
There's a prominent D2 assignor in this area of the country who doesn't want his officials shaking hands or fist bumping with the players during introductions.

What does that assignor want us to do when we are approached by the players and they are looking to acknowledge us? Most of the time I even am in those situations is because when the players are introduced, they are running by us to shake the hands/fist pound the head coach and either on the way to them or way back they come to us. I used to not like it either, but not sure what it would look like if we refused to do shake/pound their hand.

Peace

Raymond Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 805334)
What does that assignor want us to do when we are approached by the players and they are looking to acknowledge us? Most of the time I even am in those situations is because when the players are introduced, they are running by us to shake the hands/fist pound the head coach and either on the way to them or way back they come to us. I used to not like it either, but not sure what it would look like if we refused to do shake/pound their hand.

Peace

I don't know for sure what he wants as I do not work for him. But I do have a very good friend (and others I know) who does. For a while in games we worked together my friend would step away from the table and stretch or fiddle around with something during introductions. He has stopped doing that in our games but I'm not sure what he does in games he works for the supervisor in question.

(I just got an email from my buddy, I'll ask him right now if this is still a policy and what they do)

Raymond Fri Dec 16, 2011 02:04pm

JRut, my buddy says he either turns toward the table and stretches or just moves to the other side of the court.

I have no idea why this supervisor has this particular policy.


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