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bainsey Mon Dec 12, 2011 01:57pm

Parent on the Floor
 
Injured player, coach beckoned. Parent comes down to the floor uninvited.

Your move.

Welpe Mon Dec 12, 2011 02:00pm

26 Year Gap needs to queue up the pop corn dude for this one.

APG Mon Dec 12, 2011 02:01pm

Technical foul, toss the parent from the gym

*end sarcasm*

I'm not doing anything.

APG Mon Dec 12, 2011 02:03pm

Read this thread for the general consensus of how to handle this...and how most would NOT handle it.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...-t-up-fan.html

bob jenkins Mon Dec 12, 2011 02:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 803947)
Injured player, coach beckoned. Parent comes down to the floor uninvited.

Your move.

Stand aside, wait until the player is removed, resume game.

Call chseagle to tazer the parent.

tomegun Mon Dec 12, 2011 02:06pm

If the parent doesn't say anything to me, I'm probably not going to say/do anything. If the parent utters one word that is any type of complaint, after the parent sees to their child, I'm getting security to escort them out of the building.

dsqrddgd909 Mon Dec 12, 2011 02:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 803957)
Stand aside, wait until the player is removed, resume game.

Call chseagle to tazer the parent.

Bob, that's twice in a week that you have given me a great laugh.:D

Raymond Mon Dec 12, 2011 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 803956)
Read this thread for the general consensus of how to handle this...and how most would NOT handle it.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...-t-up-fan.html

Are you implying that there may be an official in Nevada who is not part of "most"?

MD Longhorn Mon Dec 12, 2011 05:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 803962)
if the parent doesn't say anything to me, i'm probably not going to say/do anything. If the parent utters one word that is any type of complaint, after the parent sees to their child, i'm getting security to escort them out of the building.

+1

grunewar Mon Dec 12, 2011 06:12pm

C'mon Bob......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 803957)
Call chseagle to tazer the parent.

It's the holiday season, lighten up on..............the parent! ;)

Nevadaref Mon Dec 12, 2011 07:15pm

Are people posting these threads just for me? :D

Unfortunately, we had a situation last week in which a parent came out of the stands to harangue a young official and his veteran partner did not take care of business. :(

I still maintain that everyone is better off if the court is off-limits to the parents and spectators.

mbyron Mon Dec 12, 2011 08:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 804039)
I still maintain that everyone is better off if the court is off-limits to the parents and spectators.

That's not what people disputed... just sayin. :)

jkumpire Mon Dec 12, 2011 08:56pm

a solution
 
Mandate that all parents of players on all levels are locked in a room away from the court and made to watch the game their kid plays in on a 6 in CRT TV set.

SNIPERBBB Mon Dec 12, 2011 09:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkumpire (Post 804074)
Mandate that all parents of players on all levels are locked in a room away from the court and made to watch the game their kid plays in on a 6 in CRT TV set.

How soon can we get that implemented?

twocentsworth Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:16pm

can't we simply play games with a "No Parents Allowed" rule?...they're the ones that cause the most problems because they yell/scream, don't know the rules, and become so irrational that they cannot control their behavior.......

oh wait....on second thought....can we play game with a "No Coaches Allowed" rule as well?....:)

26 Year Gap Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:35pm

Welpe's wish is granted.
 
http://www.kaboodle.com/hi/img/b/0/0...AAAAAC3U3Q.jpg

CoachNRef Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:47pm

Hey, do you think we get paid for having fun? :D
wanna get paid? you gotta bring the change.

bainsey Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 804039)
I still maintain that everyone is better off if the court is off-limits to the parents and spectators.

My town's rec director says there are four types of people in sports: players, coaches, officials, and spectators. Ninety percent of the problems arise when one category tries to be another.

After looking over the thread APG posted, I can see Nevada's point. The technical foul is not necessarily to punish the incident, but to discourage the behavior. You can't discourage such behavior without consequences.

The closest thing I have to this sitch is in a U-14 boys' soccer game in October. A kid got hurt, and his mom blew right past the A/R on the sideline toward the center of the field. The center referee told her she had to leave (the kid wasn't hurt that badly), and out came the "but I'm his mother!" arguments. The opposing coach -- on the line I was working -- loudly insisted we can't have parents on the field.

That really comes down to my point. Rules are agreements, and in the aforementioned case, it was indeed agreed upon by that league that parents will not come on the field, for any reason. If we generally agree that the same should be the case in basketball, then most of us would have no problem here penalizing any such court-entry actions.

Ultimately, it sounds like a case where Roman Law reigns supreme.

BktBallRef Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 803947)
Injured player, coach beckoned. Parent comes down to the floor uninvited.

Your move.

Stand aside, wait until the player is removed, resume game.

Otherwise, there's nothing else to do unless the parent proves he/she can't be rational.

APG Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804114)

After looking over the thread BNR posted, I can see Nevada's point. The technical foul is not necessarily to punish the incident, but to discourage the behavior. You can't discourage such behavior without consequences.

'Twas I that posted the thread. ;)

And I've never heard of anyone issuing a T in this situation (parent is taking care of kid and nothing toward me)...Nevada is literally the first person I've seen suggest that route.

bainsey Tue Dec 13, 2011 01:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 804133)
'Twas I that posted the thread. ;)

Fixed it, APG. Thanks.

BayStateRef Tue Dec 13, 2011 02:21pm

Had this problem at a varsity girl's tournament this summer. Girl goes down in a heap; coach and trainer come onto the court to tend to her, followed shortly by the father. As the father walks by my partner, he says something akin to "If you'd call the game right, this wouldn't happen."

I called the tournament director over and had her remove the dad from the gym. We had no problem with dad coming onto the court, but once he opened his mouth to us, he was not going to hang around to see the rest of the game.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 803947)
Injured player, coach beckoned. Parent comes down to the floor uninvited.

Your move.

Assuming that the parent is the player's parent (or guardian), then I beckon them on. And I don't care where they are, I still beckon, even if they're already on the court.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 804039)
Are people posting these threads just for me? :D

Unfortunately, we had a situation last week in which a parent came out of the stands to harangue a young official and his veteran partner did not take care of business. :(

I still maintain that everyone is better off if the court is off-limits to the parents and spectators.

We had one of these cases 3 years ago. The young official told the local association that the reason he didn't quit was because the other official did "take care of business" (paraphrasing to match your comment).

fullor30 Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 803957)
Stand aside, wait until the player is removed, resume game.

Call chseagle to tazer the parent.

HaHahahahahahahaha!!!!

Always laugh at Bob's jokes

chseagle Wed Dec 14, 2011 01:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 804459)
HaHahahahahahahaha!!!!

Always laugh at Bob's jokes

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 803957)
Stand aside, wait until the player is removed, resume game.

Call chseagle to tazer the parent.

Hard to tazer a person when I cannot run that fast to catch a person thanks to my bum knee.

Parent comes on the floor, evaluate the need for the parent on the floor and act accordingly.

mbyron Wed Dec 14, 2011 09:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 804485)
Hard to tazer a person when I cannot run that fast to catch a person thanks to my bum knee.

I thought that's why you had a posse.

Welpe Wed Dec 14, 2011 09:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 804485)
Hard to tazer a person when I cannot run that fast to catch a person thanks to my bum knee.

TASERS have great range, so that shouldn't be a problem from the table. I suppose though you could always transition to an LRAD.

BillyMac Wed Dec 14, 2011 06:20pm

There's a difference between being tripped, and tripping ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 803947)
Parent on the Floor.

What's the call if a player trips over the parent?

bainsey Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 804816)
What's the call if a player trips over the parent?

I assume that the parent and child go to the same school, so I've got nothing. Since when did night school students become eligible, anyway?

chseagle Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 804566)
I thought that's why you had a posse.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 804569)
TASERS have great range, so that shouldn't be a problem from the table. I suppose though you could always transition to an LRAD.

Unfortunately all of us have bad knees or backs.

Freddy Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:03pm

Really?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 804891)
Unfortunately all of us have bad knees or backs.

Not me. Yet. 54, and still out-running the young guns.

chseagle Thu Dec 15, 2011 03:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 804892)
Not me. Yet. 54, and still out-running the young guns.

I wish my knees were 30 years old, instead they feel like 90 years old thanks to 2 car accidents & a fight with the basketball court. Had an arthroscopy done with little results as I even have a bit of difficulty going up stairs.

I've came to the thinking like others, if the parent is out there and not hindering the treatment or harassing the floor officials: let them be.

Welpe Thu Dec 15, 2011 08:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 804891)
Unfortunately all of us have bad knees or backs.

My point is you can use the TASER or an LRAD from the comfort of your seat.

BillyMac Thu Dec 15, 2011 08:14pm

The Gun That Won The West ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 804988)
My point is you can use the TASER or an LRAD from the comfort of your seat.

Better yet? A Winchester Model 1873.

constable Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 804569)
TASERS have great range, so that shouldn't be a problem from the table. I suppose though you could always transition to an LRAD.


35 feet or so but they aren't as accurate a pistol. Make sure when firing you account for the 12 degree downward angle they fire at.

JugglingReferee Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:03pm

And don't go in having already decided to fire it even though you haven't assessed the situation. :eek:

chseagle Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 805153)
Better yet? A Winchester Model 1873.

I'd rather use a 1976 Ruger 6 Security Bicentennial instead, sorry :D

chseagle Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 805197)
And don't go in having already decided to fire it even though you haven't assessed the situation. :eek:

When I do firearm shooting, I always verify severity of situation & clearly identify target before shooting.

Welpe Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 805201)
When I do firearm shooting, I always verify severity of situation & clearly identify target before shooting.

Yeah, those clay pigeons are uppity fowl aren't they?

chseagle Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 805204)
Yeah, those clay pigeons are uppity fowl aren't they?

Try unwanted animals (dogs & cats) coming onto the property. An occasional pop can/plastic bottle.

Welpe Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:37am

Oh my...I'm sorry I asked.


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