Foul during a shot, then foul on a rebound
 

A1 shoots a 3 and while airborne is fouled by B1. While the try is still in flight, A2 fouls B2 under the basket. The try is unsuccessful and team B is in the bonus. How would you proceed? This happened in our area and the crew asked my opinion. I said handle as a double foul and go POI. Thoughts?

Why would you think it's a double foul?

It is a false double foul and each of these fouls are treated individually and carry their own penalty.

Peace

Let's talk about reporting these, 2 man crew.

Trail has the shooting foul, lead has the second foul. Obviously, the two have to get together.

Is it better for one official to report both fouls and their free throws, with the other freezing? If so, does it matter which one does which?

You need to report your own foul. Do not make it more complicated than it needs to be.

Peace

Let me take a stab without books in front of me.

A1 gets three shots with the lane cleared. B2 goes to the line at the other end to shoot FT's (1-and-1 or 2), and that's your POI.

A double foul is by opponents against each other (A1 fouls B1; B1 fouls A1), so it's not that

Close, but there's really no POI, since it's not an IW, correctable error, double foul, ...

I was thinking logically, not that by definition it was a double foul.

Can't have a false double here because the fouls were commited by players on opposing teams. False double occurs when there are fouls by teammates on different opponents

Nope it's a false double foul:

Rule, Section 20
ART. 9 . . . A false double foul is a situation in which there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the clock is started following the first, and such that at least one of the attributes of a double foul is absent.

You had fouls by both teams and one attribute of a double foul (fouls committed by opponents against each other) is absent.

You're right. My bad on that, I read it wrong in the book.

So then to proceed, they would shoot 3 for the first foul with an empty lane, then go to the other end and shoot 1+1 with the lane occupied? Or would you shoot 1+1 with an empty lane and go POI (arrow since the ball was in flight and try was unsuccessful)?

What are the times to go to the POI (4-POI)? How are (All?) false double fouls handled?

You tell me, bob. That's why I asked on the forum in hopes of getting an answer. :)

You need to read your definitions. Rule 4 is the most important rule for a reason.

Peace

You would do the former...enforce the fouls in the order that they occur.

To be clear, my answer was given in the "teach a man to fish" spirit.

We just had a similar thread.
Depending upon the timing of the fouls, this should be administered as either a simultaneous foul or a false double foul. POI would be used for resuming after a simultaneous foul, but would not be a factor for a false double.

In 10-6-11 Penalties (7)...
 

...for a false double foul (as has been stated by others): each foul carries it's own penalty, so -

3 fouls shots for A; a 1-1 is administered to B with the lane spaces occupied.

How blatant was the contact on the rebound? Could that have been passed on since you clearly had an earlier whistle on the shot? Since you weren't sure about how to assess the penalties, maybe think about that before you put air in your whistle? I'm just adding a little something to think about. :D

Since there will be no rebound (there will either be free throws or a throw-in), some officials might permit slightly more contact occur before calling a foul.

But if things escalate and an earlier foul would have prevented the escalation, how would you feel?

It wasn't my game. As it was explained to me, the foul on the rebound was for a player hooking arms with an opponent and eventually sending him to the floor. Not something you could ignore. The whistles for both fouls happened at the same time while the ball was in flight so I think this was a simultaneous foul.

Ask the official who called the foul on the shot if he delayed his whistle, or if the contact occurred before or after the shot was in the air.