Throw in spot?
 

Two man crew working youth AAU game: A has throw in from under own basket and tosses out to top of key area where ball is tipped first by A1 and then recovered by A1 deep in backcourt. Trail whistles for back court call, lead comes to discuss and a correction is made. Where is impending throw in spot?

Where do you put a ball in after an inadvertent whistle?

Where it was when inadvertent whistle occurred?

Make it a statement instead of a question and you'll be right. ;)

What if the whitsle happens with the ball in middle of flight?

What's the ball location (I mean the rule defintion of location)?

I know the answer, was asking the OP

Well, I guess the ball location when the whistle blew was deep in A's backcourt, where A1 first touched. When the refs conferred they were at midcourt and put ball back in play there.

Confucius Says ...
 

You are where you were until you get where you're going.

This works for both player location, and ball location.

Also. The midcourt line is twenty-eight feet from the endline, and hasn't been used in NFHS rules for at least twenty years. Did you mean division line?

Confucius say what?
 

"Don't sweat the small stuff"? Maybe that was someone else. I guess I used "midcourt" to describe the vicinity the refs were in when they discussed play. "Table-side" could maybe have been a more correct term. If I was going to establish a spot throw in, or refer to a specific line, I believe I would use "division" line. Speaking of "line", the bottom line is no one has answered, I don't believe definitively, the original question: Where is the throw-in made on this play involving the IW? I'm going to assume from the questions, comments and posts that most feel it would be at the spot closest to where the ball was when the IW occurred.

He didn't say midcourt line. He said the refs conferred at midcourt.

You said A1 was in possession of the ball when the IW occurred. So why do you think the throw-in spot would be anywhere other than the spot closest to A1?

Misty Water Colored Memories ...
 

Then by the old, really old, definition, they were between the twenty-eight foot hash mark and the division line. Wait a minute, there is no more twenty-eight foot hash mark. Thank God. Anybody work on a court so old that there are twenty-eight foot hash marks, inbounds, on the playing court?

I must be missing something here...
 

...A has team control, A1 touches the ball in the front court, then chases it down and recovers in the backcourt. Why is this not a backcourt violation?

This is coming from a throw-in...thus player control must also be established first before you can have a backcourt violation, 10 second count, or 3 second violation.

Yes, just about every court I work on has a 28 foot mark. There a few that do not have the mark, but most still do. But then again, most of my season is MS ball so the last time they did the floor was probably when it was built.

The mark is required (at least in front of the bench) on college courts (although it's used to mark the coaching box, not for the "lack of action" rule).

because it started with a throw-in

Every day!:p

In my giant corner of Texas, I've seen plenty of newer courts that have the 28 foot mark.

That's because the 28 foot mark isn't as rare as Billy is making it out to be.

Yabut that doesn't fit the misty water colored memories.

I'm still confused and disagree...
 

...since this is not a scenario from 9-9-3, and has all the elements described in 9-9-1 to be called a BC. Had A1 jumped from the FC to the BC for his initial touch, I'd agree: no BC, but A1 touches the ball "at the top of the key" (ending the throw-in), and then runs and secures the ball in the BC.

This is a backcourt violation.

The intent of adding team control during a throw-in is to not award free throws for a foul by the team in control. With regard to everything else during a throw-in, we handle things the EXACT same way as we have before. The wording in the rule is written poorly, but we know what intent was from the NFHS as they have made that clear through official power point slides and their interpretations.

2011-2012 NFHS Basketball Interpretations

SITUATION 4: A1 has the ball for an end-line throw-in in his/her frontcourt. A1’s pass to A2, who is in the frontcourt standing near the free throw line, is high, bounces several times and goes into Team A’s backcourt untouched. A2 is then the first to control the ball in Team A’s backcourt.

RULING: Legal. There is no backcourt violation since player and team control had not yet been established in Team A’s frontcourt before the ball went into Team A’s backcourt. The throw-in ends when A2 legally touches the ball in the backcourt and the backcourt count starts as soon as A2 gains control in his/her backcourt. (4- 12-2d; 9-9)

SITUATION 5: A1 has the ball for an end-line throw-in in his/her frontcourt. A1’s pass to A2, who is in the frontcourt standing near the division line, is high and deflects off A2’s hand and goes into Team A’s backcourt. A2 is then the first to control the ball in Team A’s backcourt.

RULING: Legal. There is no backcourt violation since player and team control had not yet been established in Team A’s frontcourt before the ball went into Team A’s backcourt. The throw-in ends when A2 legally touches the ball, but the backcourt count does not start until A2 gains control in his/her backcourt. (4-12-2d; 9-9)

Wouldn't that make the playing court 112' long?

At what point was there player control in the front court?

Despite the new (and incorrect) wording this year, the play described is still not a violation. PC needs to be established inbounds at some point before there can be a BC violation.

While there was TC throughout (because of the new wording), there was never PC inbounds.

The 14 foot coaches box sits at 14 feet and 28 feet, so there's a 28 foot mark on all courts that I work -- it's just that the mark is off the court.

Much clearer...
 

...thanks.

Conversely, I'm not sure I've seen a marked coach's box yet. That's one I wouldn't mind, especially since the sub-varsity box is only supposed to be six feet (yeah right).

Subvarsity coaches get *no* box in Wisconsin.

Personally, I'd give them all the full 28 feet and not worry about it.

They'd still take 47'

I wish it were that way here (never will happen though, coaches wield all the power), especially since so many are just shocked when I walk them back to their box and tell them they can't roam the sideline like a hyena.

I'd give them all of it, too. I couldn't possibly care where the coaches are as long as they're on their half of the court.

And yes, I enforce what I need to, but if I was king, I'd eliminate the box and give them 28' just like college coaches.