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refiator Sun Dec 11, 2011 01:05am

Lane Violations
 
Is it just me or are players getting worse about entering the lane too early on Free Throws? This seems to have gotten worse and worse over the past 3-4 years. Should this be NFHS Point of Emphasis before the NBA destroys the high school game?

APG Sun Dec 11, 2011 01:15am

Guessing the NCAA is "destroying" the high school game by allows players to enter in on the release as well?

I dunno if I'd say it's gotten worse. IMO, it can be difficult for players to sit there and wait, for what must seem like a long time, for the ball to hit the ring/backboard and enter the lane. That and some officials don't like to get this call unless it's blatant.

refiator Sun Dec 11, 2011 01:19am

Granted, it's worse everywhere. i'm just a purist:)

Adam Sun Dec 11, 2011 01:40am

If you were a true purist, you'd want it to go back to the way it was, just like the NCAA rule. I don't see it here, probably because we call it.

JRutledge Sun Dec 11, 2011 02:20am

It is not getting worse IMO, it is just about the same. You have some players and certainly coaches that do not know the rule after all these years and act like you are making it up when they violate.

Peace

BillyMac Sun Dec 11, 2011 08:28am

And, More Importantly, Where Are My Car Keys ???
 
Quick question for really experienced veterans. Is it just my imagination, but hasn't the NFHS gone from "hit" to "release" back to "hit" over the past thirty-plus years?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: It's probably too cold in Ohio for you to go up into your attic "library", so just give me an answer from memory, if you have any memory left at your age.

twocentsworth Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:31am

IF it is, in fact, getting worse....it's not the NBA or NCAA or video games or whatever....it's because officials are not enforcing this rule.

you promote what you permit.

Rob1968 Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 803584)
Quick question for really experienced veterans. Is it just my imagination, but hasn't the NFHS gone from "release" to "hit" back to "release" over the past thirty-plus years?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: It's probably too cold in Ohio for you to go up into your attic "library", so just give me an answer from memory, if you have any memory left at your age.

Not to speak for Mark, his library of past Rules books is better preserved than mine. Your statement is somewhat correct: The order would be inverted - NFHS went from "hit" to "release" and now back to "hit." I'm sorry that I don't have the years of reference for the changes.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:00am

History lesson time.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 803584)
Quick question for really experienced veterans. Is it just my imagination, but hasn't the NFHS gone from "release" to "hit" back to "release" over the past thirty-plus years?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: It's probably too cold in Ohio for you to go up into your attic "library", so just give me an answer from memory, if you have any memory left at your age.



Prior to the early 80's (and I do not mean 1880's either, :D) the rule for NBCUSC (later NFHS for boys'/girls' and NCAA Men's, and even later NCAA Women's), NAGWS (women's college and in some places girls' H.S.), FIBA, and State of Iowa which was still playing six-girl basketball at the H.S. level, the rule was "contact with the backboard or rim". Then the NFHS and NCAA Men's (and later NCAA Women's) went to "on the release" and then the NFHS went back to "contact with the backboard or rim" which we still have now.

So endth the history lesson. And Billy you are correct I did it from memory, and what was I supposed be writing about in this post, LOL.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 803535)
If you were a true purist, you'd want it to go back to the way it was, just like the NCAA rule. I don't see it here, probably because we call it.


A true purist with do away with that abomination upon the game: AP! ROFLMAO

Have a good one Snaqs.

MTD, Sr.

26 Year Gap Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 803609)
IF it is, in fact, getting worse....it's not the NBA or NCAA or video games or whatever....it's because officials are not enforcing this rule.

you promote what you permit.

Sorta like the "Whaddya do if the coach is griping all game?" Call the dang violation, and call it early. The kid won't violate again unless he wants the hair dryer treatment from his coach at halftime.

twocentsworth Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 803626)
Sorta like the "Whaddya do if the coach is griping all game?" Call the dang violation, and call it early.

Amen!

BillyMac Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:09pm

Now, More Importantly, Where Are My Glases ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 803611)
The order would be inverted - NFHS went from "hit" to "release" and now back to "hit".

Thanks Rob1968. I fixed it. I didn't realize that you were one of our more experienced Forum members. 1968? High school graduation?

BillyMac Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:12pm

I Can't Remember What I Had For Dinner Last Night ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 803613)
Then the NFHS and NCAA Men's (and later NCAA Women's) went to "on the release" and then the NFHS went back to "contact with the backboard or rim" which we still have now.

Anybody remember why the NFHS went back to the "hit"?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 803645)
Anybody remember why the NFHS went back to the "hit"?


To curtail rough play during rebounding because nobody was supposedly calling fouls.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:18pm

No More Jump Balls, None, Ever ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 803614)
A true purist with do away with that abomination upon the game: AP!

Hey Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.:

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...43683e0c7d9cf8

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:19pm

Billy:

Are we playing "Dueling Post" this morning. LOL

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:43pm

Paddle Faster, I Hear Banjoes ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 803650)
Are we playing "Dueling Post" this morning.

Don't tempt me to find a YouTube video. It's a great scene, in a great movie. Burt Reynolds deserved, at least, an Academy Award nomination. Three nominations for Deliverance, none for Reynolds, no winners. It was his greatest movie role.

dsqrddgd909 Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 803657)
Don't tempt me to find a YouTube video. It's a great scene, in a great movie. Burt Reynolds deserved, at least, an Academy Award nomination. Three nominations for Deliverance, none for Reynolds, no winners. It was his greatest movie role.

Billy, I agree with about 90% of your posts. Perhaps Burt deserved a nomination, but in my mind he was a movie star, but hardly a great actor.

26 Year Gap Sun Dec 11, 2011 01:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 803660)
Billy, I agree with about 90% of your posts. Perhaps Burt deserved a nomination, but in my mind he was a movie star, but hardly a great actor.

I liked him in that football movie.

BillyMac Sun Dec 11, 2011 01:30pm

Thanks To All The Little People ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 803660)
Billy, I agree with about 90% of your posts. Perhaps Burt deserved a nomination, but in my mind he was a movie star, but hardly a great actor.

Great actor? No. But he certainly stepped up his game in Deliverance. Part of the reason why the movie was nominated for Best Picture. 1972 was a tough year. Anybody remember The Godfather?

Hey? What's wrong with 10% of my posts?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 11, 2011 01:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 803665)
Great actor? No. But he certainly stepped up his game in Deliverance. Part of the reason why the movie was nominated for Best Picture. 1972 was a tough year. Anybody remember The Godfather?

Hey? What's wrong with 10% of my posts?


Are you talking about my family's history here in the USA? :D

MTD, Sr.

Rob1968 Sun Dec 11, 2011 07:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 803643)
Thanks Rob1968. I fixed it. I didn't realize that you were one of our more experienced Forum members. 1968? High school graduation?

Close. ... Year of the first inter-scholastic game I officiated.
(Darn! Now I don't have any secrets!)

BillyMac Mon Dec 12, 2011 07:11am

For Lack Of A Nail ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 803720)
Year of the first inter-scholastic game I officiated.

Wow, a Forum member actually older than Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Hey Rob1968: When I was a high school sophomore, in an important, late season game, you may have incorrectly called me for a travel, when I didn't. That call kept me from helping my team to win the game. There was a college coach at the game and I missed out on a college scholarship. Because of that, I missed out on a career in the NBA. Most importantly, I missed out on marrying Kim Kardashian. Thanks. Belated, but, thanks. In retrospect, you may have done me a favor. And now that I think of it, I may have really traveled. Good call.

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 12, 2011 07:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 803609)
IF it is, in fact, getting worse....it's not the NBA or NCAA or video games or whatever....it's because officials are not enforcing this rule.

you promote what you permit.

Non-calling officials are enablers. :D

Rob1968 Mon Dec 12, 2011 09:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by billymac (Post 803799)
wow, a forum member actually older than mark t. Denucci, sr.

Hey rob1968: When i was a high school sophomore, in an important, late season game, you may have incorrectly called me for a travel, when i didn't. That call kept me from helping my team to win the game. There was a college coach at the game and i missed out on a college scholarship. Because of that, i missed out on a career in the nba. Most importantly, i missed out on marrying kim kardashian. Thanks. Belated, but, thanks. In retrospect, you may have done me a favor. And now that i think of it, i may have really traveled. Good call.

lol


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