suspensions coming?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by KCRC

Here is the postgame press conference from the Cincy coach:

University of Cincinnati Official Athletic Site

I was very impressed with most of his comments. He did make a suggestion that he tried at HT and during the second half to advise the crew that there was a lot of "talking" to his bench by opponent players. Who knows if that is true. He also said that there is no excuse for how his players responded. He made all of his players in the lockerroom take off their jerseys. They won't be allowed to put a Cincy jersey back on until there is a clear understanding of how they are to represent their University.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

I concur. This guy seems to be a very classy guy and it would not be surprising to see a smaller roster within the next few days. I hope that Xavier follows suit. A good lesson on stopping stuff early, although sometimes it comes out of the blue.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

I just saw an interesting clip on ESPN's Sportscenter on this.

It's a closeup of #52 (Holloway) from Xavier talking trash to the Cincinnati bench the entire way up the court and Coach Cronin alerting the Trail of the actions; he is asking for a technical foul to be called. All this happens before the initial skirmish that leads to the melee.

This is one of the times where I hope the T should've had game awareness of what was happening and addressed it ASAP. The player's actions erupt in a matter of seconds but perhaps a quick T on #52 could've stopped it initially.

Thoughts?

There was a play late in the 2nd half where the calling official ruled a foul by grabbing the guy's shorts on a layup and stretching them out by 2 feet "continuation" instead of an intentional foul. Sometimes you have to mete out the obvious in order to stop the crap. My guess is that the supervisor will be doing a lot of investigating, too.

[APG]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Couldn't open it. Did you find that play late in the second half where the Xavier player blew by his defender and the defender got a fistful of shorts?

Weird

And here's the play that you're asking about:

[refiator]

Man, what a mess. The fight rule is a very logical rule, but when put in the position to enforce it, is very, very difficult.
THis is one of very few reasons why instant replay is actually a good thing.

[APG]

Originally Posted by refiator

Man, what a mess. The fight rule is a very logical rule, but when put in the position to enforce it, is very, very difficult.
THis is one of very few reasons why instant replay is actually a good thing.

I would think games with instant replay would make enforcing the fight rule a lot easier...and it allows all three officials to try and break up an altercation before it gets too bad, since anything missed can be seen on replay. I would have been very interested to see how they enforced the penalties if they didn't call the game. Lots of FF2 and indirects to the head coaches.

[JRutledge]

I think this is going to change sports in at least college. I think we are going to see a lot of changes with players and their Twitter, Facebook or any other social media site and it will change the way officials are seen for not calling or addressing issues of trash talk. I cannot believe that at least one T was not given for some of those exchanges before the fight took place. This was on National TV, not in a local gym where no one knows the parties involved like many of us will work.

Peace

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think we are going to see a lot of changes with players and their Twitter, Facebook or any other social media site and it will change the way officials are seen for not calling or addressing issues of trash talk.

I'm not following you. What does what happens on Facebook or Twitter have anything to do with what happens on the court?

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this is going to change sports in at least college. I think we are going to see a lot of changes with players and their Twitter, Facebook or any other social media site and it will change the way officials are seen for not calling or addressing issues of trash talk. I cannot believe that at least one T was not given for some of those exchanges before the fight took place. This was on National TV, not in a local gym where no one knows the parties involved like many of us will work.

Peace

The NCAA recently suspended a football player for what he posted on Twitter...which is the first case of this happening (which I don't agree with). I agree, that I don't know how more T's weren't handed out...it's not as if this was an isolated incident.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm not following you. What does what happens on Facebook or Twitter have anything to do with what happens on the court?

A lot of comments were made on Twitter before the game about one of the Xavier players not being able to make the Cincinnati team or start. I think is could lead to either NCAA policies about what they say on these forums or schools are going to take further actions and either ban their players from having these sites or hold them accountable much more for what they say. This to me is no different than what happened in football when Miami would get into fights with teams by bringing multiple players to the coin flip. Now the rules only allow a certain number and they have "free zones" where players cannot even go during warm-ups. I could see this changing how things are done or at least put it into consideration when these incidents take place.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I concur. This guy seems to be a very classy guy and it would not be surprising to see a smaller roster within the next few days. I hope that Xavier follows suit. A good lesson on stopping stuff early, although sometimes it comes out of the blue.

If the NCAA follows the "rules" UC will not have enough players left to play their next game. Any player that was in the game and involved in the fracas will probably be suspended for at least one game (more for some). Plus, there were NO players left on the bench....every single one of them would have received a flagrant T for leaving the bench to participate...and it looks like they all did participate to some degree.

They might have 2-4 players left that are eligible to play.

Xavier, on the other hand, may not lose so many. I only saw the players and a couple more near the incident. Looks like most of their bench players stayed away.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If the NCAA follows the "rules" UC will not have enough players left to play their next game. Any player that was in the game and involved in the fracas will probably be suspended for at least one game (more for some). Plus, there were NO players left on the bench....every single one of them would have received a flagrant T for leaving the bench to participate...and it looks like they all did participate to some degree.

They might have 2-4 players left that are eligible to play.

Xavier, on the other hand, may not lose so many. I only say the players and a couple more near the incident. Looks like most of their bench players stayed away.

I would think they could stagger out the suspensions...sort of like what happened in the NBA Playoffs a while back when the Knicks and Heat got into a bench clearing brawl. By rule, there must be 8 players dressed for an NBA game, and if they would have enforced the one game suspensions for everyone that left the bench, none of the teams would have had 8 players dressed...so they staggered the suspensions out by last name alphabetical order..and it's now the rule.

Of course, I'm betting they'll just suspend the worst offenders and not worry about the players that came off the bench and didn't participate much.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I would think they could stagger out the suspensions...sort of like what happened in the NBA Playoffs a while back when the Knicks and Heat got into a bench clearing brawl. By rule, there must be 8 players dressed for an NBA game, and if they would have enforced the one game suspensions for everyone that left the bench, none of the teams would have had 8 players dressed...so they staggered the suspensions out by last name alphabetical order..and it's now the rule.

Of course, I'm betting they'll just suspend the worst offenders and not worry about the players that came off the bench and didn't participate much.

I have a feeling that the schools are going to take some rather punitive actions against their own, despite what the NCAA does. I could see a player or two getting kicked off the team entirely.

Peace

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have a feeling that the schools are going to take some rather punitive actions against their own, despite what the NCAA does. I could see a player or two getting kicked off the team entirely.

Peace

And after Coach Cronin's remarks, Xavier will feel pressed to do something to demonstrate their commitment to better conduct by their players.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have a feeling that the schools are going to take some rather punitive actions against their own, despite what the NCAA does. I could see a player or two getting kicked off the team entirely.

Peace

I agree. Whoever kicked that player should be gone.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have a feeling that the schools are going to take some rather punitive actions against their own, despite what the NCAA does. I could see a player or two getting kicked off the team entirely.

Peace

I suspect you are right. Is the guy with the shorts pulling foul one of the main combatants? I know #5 got involved from Xavier.