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bainsey Thu Dec 08, 2011 07:26pm

"Tuck your hair in your shirt!"
 
There's one I've never heard before.

MS girls. One girl had long, thick, blonde hair that was covering her number. At the earliest dead ball, I went to the coach, saying she needed a sub.

"Hey (name), tuck your hair in your shirt!"

That'll probably be one of my favorite lines of the year, but we still needed a sub. (Had it been travel or rec, I could allow that.) A few minutes later, she came back with her hair in a bun.

Still, that line sticks with me. I can't believe there's any rule against tucking your hair in your jersey (unless I missed something). I can't imagine there's any safety factor involved. Anyone know anything about this?

Freddy Thu Dec 08, 2011 09:18pm

Right When I Thought I Heard of Everything...
 
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 802984)
"Hey (name), tuck your hair in your shirt!"

That's something no one would ever have to say to me. It would be a prerequisite to actually have hair to make that a relevant command. :)

just another ref Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:01pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 802984)

MS girls. One girl had long, thick, blonde hair that was covering her number. At the earliest dead ball, I went to the coach, saying she needed a sub.

Where's the rule support for this?

SNIPERBBB Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:41pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 803001)
Where's the rule support for this?

If you think its a safety concern 3-6-7 applies.

Adam Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:07am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 803001)
Where's the rule support for this?

I don't know of one. Unless she has beads on her hair. May as well tell the players to stand behind the division line for tech free throws.

JRutledge Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:50am

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 803018)
If you think its a safety concern 3-6-7 applies.

Do you mean 3-7?

If that is the case I'm not sure what hair has to do with safety?

Peace

deecee Fri Dec 09, 2011 03:07am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 803001)
Where's the rule support for this?

There is none.

Rob1968 Fri Dec 09, 2011 03:56am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 803035)
Do you mean 3-7?

If that is the case I'm not sure what hair has to do with safety?

Peace

Okay, this will really show my age ... Years ago, it might have been a Points of Emphasis entry, in the interest of safety, the officials could direct a player to restrain his/her long hair, particularly a long braided ponytail. I don't have the particular year for specific reference. One of the reccomended methods to restrain the hair was by tucking it into the back of the jersey.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Dec 09, 2011 07:25am

Rut got the NFHS Rules reference correct and Rob1968 is correct about a Points of Emphasis from years gone by. As I stated in a post in a different thread last night, my knees are not going up in the attic this morning but it seems to me that the POE addressed long hair. I am sure that NevadaRef will soon post the POE of which Rob spoke.

MTD, Sr.

SNIPERBBB Fri Dec 09, 2011 07:30am

Yeah its 3-7...had a ugly game last night.

I don't see hair that long being a problem but somewhere some OOO probably would think it is a hazard.

bob jenkins Fri Dec 09, 2011 08:33am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 802984)
There's one I've never heard before.

MS girls. One girl had long, thick, blonde hair that was covering her number. At the earliest dead ball, I went to the coach, saying she needed a sub.

I'm confused, as usual.

When I first read this, I thought you sent her out because you couldn't read her number. I would agree with whoever asked, "Where's the rules support for this?"

Others seemed to focus on the safety aspect. Here, I agree that it's your judgment.

Maineac Fri Dec 09, 2011 08:37am

Was there no number on the front of the jersey?

rockchalk jhawk Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 802984)
There's one I've never heard before.

MS girls. One girl had long, thick, blonde hair that was covering her number. At the earliest dead ball, I went to the coach, saying she needed a sub.

I don't understand why people feel the need to do things that they have absolutely no basis for... Where in the rule book does it say that having long hair or obscuring a player number with said hair is illegal? This is the sign of an OOO or a plumber. Or both.

JRutledge Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:20am

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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 803056)
Okay, this will really show my age ... Years ago, it might have been a Points of Emphasis entry, in the interest of safety, the officials could direct a player to restrain his/her long hair, particularly a long braided ponytail. I don't have the particular year for specific reference. One of the reccomended methods to restrain the hair was by tucking it into the back of the jersey.

I remember a similar ruling at one time, but I do not remember it was simply for long hair, it was more for heave braids. It appears here they wanted to just remove someone because they had long hair covering up the jersey. That was a little before you see a lot of men wearing long hair in football games and I would not feel that interpretation is still valid or it is a stretch to apply now.

Peace

Adam Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:22am

I'm pretty sure this would result in an uncomfortable conversation with any one of my assigners.

bainsey Fri Dec 09, 2011 03:36pm

I finally got my eyes in front of a rule book. Indeed, there is no such rule.

(Thanks for the heads up, JAR.)

I don't know where I heard it. It just went off like an alarm in my head when I saw the hair. Now, the coach's line is memorable for another reason. I have that team again next month; I'll own up to it then.

And BTW, I wouldn't have invoked 3-7 in this case. The hair was merely plentiful, not dangerous.

Adam Fri Dec 09, 2011 05:27pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 803201)
I finally got my eyes in front of a rule book. Indeed, there is no such rule.

(Thanks for the heads up, JAR.)

I don't know where I heard it. It just went off like an alarm in my head when I saw the hair. Now, the coach's line is memorable for another reason. I have that team again next month; I'll own up to it then.

And BTW, I wouldn't have invoked 3-7 in this case. The hair was merely plentiful, not dangerous.

Wait, you're supposed to dig in your heels and insist it should be illegal, stretching the rules to fit.

Rob1968 Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:05am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 803111)
I remember a similar ruling at one time, but I do not remember it was simply for long hair, it was more for heave braids. It appears here they wanted to just remove someone because they had long hair covering up the jersey. That was a little before you see a lot of men wearing long hair in football games and I would not feel that interpretation is still valid or it is a stretch to apply now.

Peace

That's how I remember it, also. And in training discussions, at the time, large afros, and long hair that was not a safetey concern, were to be ignored.

26 Year Gap Sat Dec 10, 2011 02:22pm

Even though it might take longer to get the info to report, it is not one of the DOG warnings. What would REALLY have been funny, is if the coach had hollered to you at the half to remember to tuck in your whistle.:D


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