Spin Move..Continuation?
 

Boys JV game few days ago....B4 starts to make a spin move in the lane toward the basket with his arms moving up..I blow a foul on A3 and the basket is good and rule +1...

Coach jumps off bench and sez that is not continuation when player is doing a spin move (IE: on the floor).

Appreciate any help on this one.

Thanks!

Help in the form of advice: stop listening to coaches.

My Dad's Favorite Word Learned From German Prisoners in WWII ...
 

Coach talk. Fan talk. Player talk.

Verboten for officials to use.

Being "on the floor" has nothing to do with this...in fact, get out of the habit of ever using that verbiage. You very well can be "on the floor" and still have continuous motion apply.

Once the player has begun the habitual motion that precedes the throwing for goal, the player is allowed to continue that motion, even if it includes stepping, pivoting and/or jumping. NFHS 4-11-2. As usual, it's imperative to know your definitions.

May as well lose that mindset as well. Gathered is all that matters.

Says who?

Are you saying that the arms must be going upward in a shooting motion to get continuation?

No I'm asking where does it say that "gathered" is the indication of when the habitual motion that precedes the throwing for goal is perceived?

It says "gather" in a rulebook that is written much better than the book you're probably referring to.

4-9-2
...while holding the ball.

4-41-2
...A players is trying for goal when the player has the ball...

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Good Question
 

You do have a good point. The term "gathered" or the phrase "gathered the ball" appears nowhere in either rule- or casebook. It does, however, for many, serve as an apt description of what occurs "when the player begins the motion which habitually precedes the release of the ball" (4-41-3), which starts the try.

Referee Magazine's recent article (November 2011, p. 17,19, "Hoop and Some Harm ('And 1')) did a rather good job of describing exactly what your question refers to.

Gathered implies something that happens after the player has been dribbling. Not all shots are initiated off a dribble. Holding the ball covers much more than gathering. In other words, gathering is a subset of what it means to be holding the ball. But it is not everything.

Gathering is the logical thing someone does after a dribble to shoot the ball. It is the term I use and that many at high levels use even if that is not the specific language it helps people understand what should be called.

Peace

Good point, but I thought we were discussing plays to the basket. There's usually no doubt that FTs are coming when a shooter is fouled on a catch & shoot situation.

My point to the OP was that the players arms moving up has nothing to do with the habitual shooting motion. I know a TON of guys who believe this is true :rolleyes:

Fair enough. I'm not sure I agree that arms moving upward is never an indication of the shooting motion. You have to make a subjective decision about the intent of the player and arms moving upward (while holding the ball) could definitely help make the decision.

Dang message boards...
I keep forgetting one has to be very clear when communicating in cyberspace.

The criteria for continuation has nothing to do with whether the shooters arms go up or not after he/she has been fouled.

For me, as long as the player doesnt pass, violate or request a timeout after being fouled, on plays to the basket, I consider the player to be in a shooting motion.

Even if the player does any of those items, s/he might have been in the act of shooting.

This is true, but there has to still be some sign they are shooting to give them shots. I agree that you would not just call this on the basis of the arms, but I would need something to indicate they are shooting. Closeness to the basketball might help and if they do not try to pass or dribble would be another. I would need something in their actions to help me judge they are shooting or they are not going to get shots. The vast majority of times this is not even hard to judge, but they need to do something to make this judgment easier for you as an official.

Peace