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CoachP Wed Nov 02, 2011 09:59am

Eyeblack
 
Started seeing eyeblack being worn around these parts during Girls VB season. Am I witnessing a local trend that will be carrying over to hoops or have you guys been seeing it?

JRutledge Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:13am

Nope.

Peace

Maineac Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:34am

Not here.

jdw3018 Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:39am

Haven't seen it here. And if I do? Meh.

Adam Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:25am

7th grade girls wore it last night. :rolleyes:

grunewar Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:36am

Haven't seen it here.......yet! And, if I do, I'm certainly not going to become an OOO.

If it does catch on, "Coming to a Rules Book near you........."

BillyMac Sun Nov 06, 2011 07:40am

Nfhs ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 796978)
Started seeing eye black being worn around these parts during Girls VB season. Am I witnessing a local trend that will be carrying over to hoops or have you guys been seeing it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 797000)
"Coming to a Rules Book near you."

Has the NFHS ever commented on face painting, eye black, etc? I've been around over thirty years, and I don't' recall any comments from the NFHS regarding these issues.

JRutledge Sun Nov 06, 2011 04:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 797341)
Has the NFHS ever commented on face painting, eye black, etc? I've been around over thirty years, and I don't' recall any comments from the NFHS regarding these issues.

In football they have. But basketball is not football so the Referee would have to rule on anything that is not specifically covered in the rules. I do not see a basketball need for such things.

Peace

Adam Sun Nov 06, 2011 06:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 797383)
In football they have. But basketball is not football so the Referee would have to rule on anything that is not specifically covered in the rules. I do not see a basketball need for such things.

Peace

Neither do I, but the need to ban it is even smaller.

BktBallRef Sun Nov 06, 2011 06:12pm

That's easy here. The NCHSAA doesn't allow any type of body or face paint.

Camron Rust Sun Nov 06, 2011 06:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 797395)
That's easy here. The NCHSAA doesn't allow any type of body or face paint.


How much makeup does it take to be considered face paint? Or is makeup prohibited?

Sorry #15, you can't play with that eyeliner on. (And what official is going to inspect a player's face for makeup).

BktBallRef Sun Nov 06, 2011 06:40pm

Really? Really? You can't tell the difference in eyeliner that's worn under the eyelashes versus a streak of eye black worn on the cheek like a football player?

Nobody is outlawing makeup. It's not eyeliner. It's a black streak of paint the width of a finger on the cheek under the eye.

It started with VB player who painted the school logo on the side of the player's face, a shoulder, etc. It progressed from there.

It's no different than the NFHS restricting eye black in football. It must be a single streak with no wording. No face black or war paint.

BillyMac Sun Nov 06, 2011 08:52pm

And, Just What Is The NCHSAA ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 797395)
That's easy here. The NCHSAA doesn't allow any type of body or face paint.

Specific citation please.

BktBallRef Sun Nov 06, 2011 08:58pm

North Carolina High School Athletic Association

Adam Sun Nov 06, 2011 09:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 797411)
Specific citation please.

I'm :confused: by the question.

BktBallRef Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 797421)
I'm :confused: by the question.

Who knows? In the topic, he asked "And, Just What Is The NCHSAA ???"

Camron Rust Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 797403)
Really? Really? You can't tell the difference in eyeliner that's worn under the eyelashes versus a streak of eye black worn on the cheek like a football player?

Nobody is outlawing makeup. It's not eyeliner. It's a black streak of paint the width of a finger on the cheek under the eye.

It started with VB player who painted the school logo on the side of the player's face, a shoulder, etc. It progressed from there.

It's no different than the NFHS restricting eye black in football. It must be a single streak with no wording. No face black or war paint.

The point is someone could wear their makeup heavier and heavier to the point it approaches the same look as paint. Where exactly is the line? What if they did put a line under their eye using eyeliner....maybe 10-20 lines really close together such that it sort of looks the same as paint?

I just see it as being overly officious to outlaw unoffensive markings.

26 Year Gap Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 797422)
Who knows? In the topic, he asked "And, Just What Is The NCHSAA ???"

There are no little corners in NC.

BillyMac Mon Nov 07, 2011 06:57am

Some Of Them Must Be Little ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 797427)
There are no little corners in NC.

Maybe there are no "little" corners in the Tar Heel State, but there are still plenty of corners: Spiveys Corner, Aarons Corner, Hastings Corner, Skippers Corner, Rabbit Corner, and Cox Corner.

BillyMac Mon Nov 07, 2011 07:03am

Body Paint, Face Paint ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 797421)
I'm :confused: by the question.

Just looking for the exact wording.

The more this is discussed, the more I seem to recall that the NFHS came out with some type of interpretation regarding this topic, i.e. face paint, maybe twenty, or twenty-five, years ago. Maybe I'm confusing this with the NFHS interpretation on tattoos that came out about fifteen years ago?

Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to guide us down memory lane?

Adam Mon Nov 07, 2011 09:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 797422)
Who knows? In the topic, he asked "And, Just What Is The NCHSAA ???"

It was the topic question that confused me. Billy could have figured that out.

BktBallRef Mon Nov 07, 2011 02:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 797423)
The point is someone could wear their makeup heavier and heavier to the point it approaches the same look as paint. Where exactly is the line? What if they did put a line under their eye using eyeliner....maybe 10-20 lines really close together such that it sort of looks the same as paint?

You're really making much ado about nothing.

It doesn't matter how much eye makeup they put on their eyes. When they start using eye makeup on their cheeks or their forehead, then it will be an issue. We use common sense and in the 5 years this has been in place, it hasn't been a problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 797442)
Just looking for the exact wording.

BODY PAINT: No face/body paint is allowed, regular season or playoffs.

I sure hope that helps.

Scuba_ref Mon Nov 07, 2011 07:25pm

Whose line is it anyway?
 
So Mimi from the Drew Carey show wouldn't be allowed to play? She would make quite the post presence.

26 Year Gap Mon Nov 07, 2011 08:04pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 797441)
Maybe there are no "little" corners in the Tar Heel State, but there are still plenty of corners: Spiveys Corner, Aarons Corner, Hastings Corner, Skippers Corner, Rabbit Corner, and Cox Corner.

In all the time it took you to find that stuff, you could have figured out that NCHSAA stands for North Carolina High School Athletic Assn. Or something similar. If someone indicates something is a state rule, there is no need for a citation. If a whole bunch of states have rules like that, it may mean that the Fed will take notice. Vermont & NH both have mouth guard rules. They differ from each other. A statement from an official in those states is really all that is needed. In FL, we have a running clock rule in the 2nd half if one team gets a 35 point lead. Unless someone else from a particular state calls someone on it, it really does not need a citation from a state guideline book. Just sayin'.

Adam Mon Nov 07, 2011 09:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 797442)
Just looking for the exact wording.

The more this is discussed, the more I seem to recall that the NFHS came out with some type of interpretation regarding this topic, i.e. face paint, maybe twenty, or twenty-five, years ago. Maybe I'm confusing this with the NFHS interpretation on tattoos that came out about fifteen years ago?

Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to guide us down memory lane?

The exact wording I'd what NCHSAA stands for?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Nov 08, 2011 01:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref (Post 797491)
So Mimi from the Drew Carey show wouldn't be allowed to play? She would make quite the post presence.



ROFLMAO!!!


MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Nov 08, 2011 01:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 797442)
Just looking for the exact wording.

The more this is discussed, the more I seem to recall that the NFHS came out with some type of interpretation regarding this topic, i.e. face paint, maybe twenty, or twenty-five, years ago. Maybe I'm confusing this with the NFHS interpretation on tattoos that came out about fifteen years ago?

Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to guide us down memory lane?


I can not remember any NFHS, NCAA, or NBCUSC Comment on the Rules, Editorial, Interpretation, or Points of Emphasis with regard to this situation in my 41 years of officiating.

That said, with regard to eye makeup, I am not going down that road, especially in a boys' game, :D.

Regarding face paint, if I was the HC of a girls' team and my players were intimidated by opponents who has its school's school mascot painted on their cheeks, then I need to players.

Regarding eye black, I could never understand how eye black helped reduce glare for baseball, softball, and football players, that said, I would not doubt that there are players who may have problems with the glare from bright lights and if it helps players in outdoor sports then it could possibly help basketball players. Of course I can see prohibiting players who paint their players like KISS or the Insane Clown Posse, :D.

MTD, Sr.

McMac Tue Nov 08, 2011 09:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 797578)
Regarding eye black, I could never understand how eye black helped reduce glare for baseball, softball, and football players, that said, I would not doubt that there are players who may have problems with the glare from bright lights and if it helps players in outdoor sports then it could possibly help basketball players. Of course I can see prohibiting players who paint their players like KISS or the Insane Clown Posse, :D.

MTD, Sr.

Mythbusters actually did this last year I believe and proved that it helps with indirect sunlight that is reflected from the ground or other sources. No help without something like a cap to block the direct sunlight.

grunewar Tue Nov 08, 2011 09:43pm

C'mon.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by McMac (Post 797625)
Mythbusters actually did this last year I believe and proved that it helps with indirect sunlight that is reflected from the ground or other sources. No help without something like a cap to block the direct sunlight.

Would that be the same ball cap that's on backwards and blocking the direct sunlight from the back of your neck? ;)

BillyMac Wed Nov 09, 2011 06:53am

Skin Cancer Prevention ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 797628)
Would that be the same ball cap that's on backwards and blocking the direct sunlight from the back of your neck?

Hey. Nobody like getting a bad sunburn on the back of thier neck.

Amesman Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by McMac (Post 797625)
Mythbusters actually did this last year I believe and proved that it helps with indirect sunlight that is reflected from the ground or other sources. No help without something like a cap to block the direct sunlight.

Provided the cap is black, white, beige or one of the school's recognized colors, of course.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Nov 09, 2011 01:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 797681)
Provided the cap is black, white, beige or one of the school's recognized colors, of course.


Amesman:

You have the makings of a rules interpreter. :D

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Nov 12, 2011 05:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 797578)
I can not remember any NFHS, NCAA, or NBCUSC Comment on the Rules, Editorial, Interpretation, or Points of Emphasis with regard to this situation in my 41 years of officiating.

That said, with regard to eye makeup, I am not going down that road, especially in a boys' game, :D.

Regarding face paint, if I was the HC of a girls' team and my players were intimidated by opponents who has its school's school mascot painted on their cheeks, then I need to players.

Regarding eye black, I could never understand how eye black helped reduce glare for baseball, softball, and football players, that said, I would not doubt that there are players who may have problems with the glare from bright lights and if it helps players in outdoor sports then it could possibly help basketball players. Of course I can see prohibiting players who paint their players like KISS or the Insane Clown Posse, :D.

MTD, Sr.


I can NOT believe that not one 'yunguns' on this forum did not pick up on my "bald old geezer" reference to the Insane Clown Posse?

MTD, Sr.


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