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bainsey Wed Nov 30, 2011 04:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 800864)
Coaches do make the rules. Just sayin
Hmmmm.....

"Hey coach, don't blame me. Your guys made the rules!"

TimTaylor Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:50pm
We got the word from our SRI tonight - Ipads are legal on the bench as long as they're only being used to keep statistics or as electronic white board.

Nevadaref Tue Dec 06, 2011 01:08am
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimTaylor (Post 802210)
We got the word from our SRI tonight - Ipads are legal on the bench as long as they're only being used to keep statistics or as electronic white board.
I'm sure that the following is what your SRI received. I can't say why this ruling is being issued by Mary Struckhoff seeing that her resignation from the NFHS became effective on Sept. 30, 2011.
================================================== =====
Mary Struckhoff Announces Resignation from NFHS Staff
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Bruce Howard

INDIANAPOLIS, IN (August 5, 2011) — Mary Struckhoff, assistant director of the
National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) for the past 12 years, will
leave the NFHS staff, effective September 30, to pursue other interests in athletics and
officiating.
================================================== ==============


From: Mary Struckhoff
To: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011
Subject: RE: iPad use on the bench
*
10-2-3 definitely needs to be updated to keep up with technological advances, but a computer or iPad could be used for anything that paper could have done (stats, draw up plays, etc.). Basically, the only things they can’t be used for are electronic communication with players (speaking to them thru the device and a receiver) and video replay.
*
Yes, it’s difficult for officials to “police” what the devices are being used for, but most officials and state offices assume teams/coaches are in compliance unless proven otherwise. If you want to have a state-wide prohibition against these devices, that would be up to you. But they are permitted, with a few restrictions, by rule.
*
Hope that helps.
*
Mary

constable Tue Dec 06, 2011 02:52pm
Here is the interpretation from IAABO

INTERPRETATION / CLARIFICATION FROM IAABO
IAABO Executive Director Tom Lopes has confirmed that the use of an "I-Pad is not permissible."
This falls under rule 10, section 1, article 3 - "A team shall not use television monitoring or replay equipment or computers (other than for statistics) for coaching purposes during the game or any intermission..."

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 06, 2011 04:20pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by constable (Post 802374)
Here is the interpretation from IAABO

INTERPRETATION / CLARIFICATION FROM IAABO
IAABO Executive Director Tom Lopes has confirmed that the use of an "I-Pad is not permissible."
This falls under rule 10, section 1, article 3 - "A team shall not use television monitoring or replay equipment or computers (other than for statistics) for coaching purposes during the game or any intermission..."
What is IAABO's authority?

Nevadaref Tue Dec 06, 2011 04:27pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 802401)
What is IAABO's authority?
That organization has Boards all over the country. It is a national group which trains and runs HS basketball officiating chapters. If a particular group is affiliated with IAABO, then it should follow what its leadership says.

IAABO Home Page


The problem with the different rulings issued by Mary Struckhoff and Tom Lopes is that one of them made a decision based upon what the text of the rule actually says and the other didn't.

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Dec 06, 2011 04:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 800614)
I just received an email from Missouri State adressing the iPad issue.
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The purpose of this email to clarify the use of iPads and other personal computers by coaches during basketball contests.

NFHS Basketball Rule 10-1-3:

Use television monitoring or replay equipment or computers (other than for statistics) for coaching purposes during the game or any intermission or use a megaphone or any mechanical sounding device or any electronic transmission device at courtside for coaching purposes, or electronic equipment for voice communication with players.

NFHS Office has issued the following statement:

“The use of an iPad or computer is approved as long as they are just replacing a traditional paper alternative, they would meet the spirit and intent of the rule and be permitted. If they are being used to review video or some type of electronic communication, they are prohibited.”


The penalty for violating rule 10-1-3 is a team technical foul. Please refer to the NFHS Basketball Case Book: 10.1.3A and 10.1.3B for examples.

**Applications are available for the ipad to be used like a marker board. This is acceptable as long as it is not used to review video or other forms of electronic communication.
Anyone have a link to the release of this from NFHS? I looked on their website and can't find it.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 06, 2011 04:39pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 802403)
That organization has Boards all over the country. It is a national group which trains and runs HS basketball officiating chapters. If a particular group is affiliated with IAABO, then it should follow what its leadership says.

IAABO Home Page


The problem with the different rulings issued by Mary Struckhoff and Tom Lopes is that one of them made a decision based upon what the text of the rule actually says and the other didn't.
And yet the other problem is that some local boards in Ontario "are an IAABO" chapter, and others aren't.

So when there are differing rules with teams from conflicting regions, it needs to be clarified if Fed or IAABO interps are being used. This isn't done, so then it becomes a provincial issue (as a whole).

I don't recall hearing news that "we play Fed with these IAABO exceptions".

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Dec 06, 2011 04:40pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 802219)
I'm sure that the following is what your SRI received. I can't say why this ruling is being issued by Mary Struckhoff seeing that her resignation from the NFHS became effective on Sept. 30, 2011.
================================================== =====
Mary Struckhoff Announces Resignation from NFHS Staff
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Bruce Howard

INDIANAPOLIS, IN (August 5, 2011) — Mary Struckhoff, assistant director of the
National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) for the past 12 years, will
leave the NFHS staff, effective September 30, to pursue other interests in athletics and
officiating.
================================================== ==============


From: Mary Struckhoff
To: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011
Subject: RE: iPad use on the bench
*
10-2-3 definitely needs to be updated to keep up with technological advances, but a computer or iPad could be used for anything that paper could have done (stats, draw up plays, etc.). Basically, the only things they can’t be used for are electronic communication with players (speaking to them thru the device and a receiver) and video replay.
*
Yes, it’s difficult for officials to “police” what the devices are being used for, but most officials and state offices assume teams/coaches are in compliance unless proven otherwise. If you want to have a state-wide prohibition against these devices, that would be up to you. But they are permitted, with a few restrictions, by rule.
*
Hope that helps.
*
Mary
Looks like someone made a [email protected] account, or something similar, and duped their state office. Nice.

Nevadaref Tue Dec 06, 2011 04:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 802416)
Looks like someone made a [email protected] account, or something similar, and duped their state office. Nice.
That is not what happened here.

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Dec 06, 2011 04:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 802421)
That is not what happened here.
Did the message come from Mary? And if so, what authority does she have issuing these things after she has resigned?

Raymond Fri Dec 09, 2011 03:37pm
NCAA-M just posted a memorandum reminding everyone that iPads are prohibited from being on the bench, even if just used to keep stats:

...While the keeping of statistics on a computer or iPad may seem innocent enough and may not fall completely within the parameters of these restrictions, any exception to permit the keeping of statistics would be difficult if not impossible to enforce since the same equipment could be used to send and receive information...

constable Wed Dec 21, 2011 03:48am
Quote:
Originally Posted by constable (Post 802374)
Here is the interpretation from IAABO

INTERPRETATION / CLARIFICATION FROM IAABO
IAABO Executive Director Tom Lopes has confirmed that the use of an "I-Pad is not permissible."
This falls under rule 10, section 1, article 3 - "A team shall not use television monitoring or replay equipment or computers (other than for statistics) for coaching purposes during the game or any intermission..."
Had to enforce the IAABO interpretation for the first time today. HC asked "even for stats"

my response " yep"

Adam Wed Dec 21, 2011 08:48am
Colorado has gone a step further, all electronic devices are banned from the sideline/bench.

Welpe Wed Dec 21, 2011 09:01am
I had a MS game a few weeks ago where somebody on the bench was recording the game with an iPad. I reminded the coach she could not review the video during the game or at half-time but there's not much of a way to enforce that. I'll probably bounce that up to my chapter leadership to see what they say about it.

BktBallRef Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:41am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 794800)
Unless you're advocating a change to permit greater use of computers, every device out there is covered by the rule and every device on the horizon is also covered by the rule and is prohibited. A "computer" doesn't just mean a desktop or a laptop computer. Your smartphone is a computer too. A tablet is a computer. An iTouch is a computer. They're all just very small computers. They're all prohibited unless used for statistics only.

"transmission device" pretty much covers about anything that could be used to send or receive information form/to anywhere.

I suppose you could argue that we can't tell whether they are being used for stats or not but no rule change will change that.

Are you saying you think they should loosen the rule to allow computers of some types?
Quote:
Originally Posted by BktBallRef
I'm saying that has technology evolves, they will have to become more descriptive and address new innovations and products. They will have to make changes either by rule or by case play or interpretation. It's my opinion. If you disagree, that's fine. Time will determine if I am correct.
Wow...I guess time has proven me correct.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 802219)
From: Mary Struckhoff
To: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011
Subject: RE: iPad use on the bench
*
10-2-3 definitely needs to be updated to keep up with technological advances, but a computer or iPad could be used for anything that paper could have done (stats, draw up plays, etc.). Basically, the only things they can’t be used for are electronic communication with players (speaking to them thru the device and a receiver) and video replay.
*
Yes, it’s difficult for officials to “police” what the devices are being used for, but most officials and state offices assume teams/coaches are in compliance unless proven otherwise. If you want to have a state-wide prohibition against these devices, that would be up to you. But they are permitted, with a few restrictions, by rule.
*
Hope that helps.
*

Mary

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 802219)
I'm sure that the following is what your SRI received. I can't say why this ruling is being issued by Mary Struckhoff seeing that her resignation from the NFHS became effective on Sept. 30, 2011.
I'm betting she was asked to stay on until a replacement was named. I haven't seen an announcement that anyone has been hired yet.

Rich Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:54am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 802403)
That organization has Boards all over the country. It is a national group which trains and runs HS basketball officiating chapters. If a particular group is affiliated with IAABO, then it should follow what its leadership says.

IAABO Home Page


The problem with the different rulings issued by Mary Struckhoff and Tom Lopes is that one of them made a decision based upon what the text of the rule actually says and the other didn't.
I've seen plenty of iPads on benches this season and, well, I couldn't possibly care. I have much bigger fish to fry, like the colors of headbands and pre wrap and whether undershirts are illegal. :rolleyes:

Scratch85 Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:58am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 806942)
I'm betting she was asked to stay on until a replacement was named. I haven't seen an announcement that anyone has been hired yet.
I believe Theresia Wynns from the IHSAA has replaced Mary Struckhoff.

BktBallRef Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:18am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 806954)
I believe Theresia Wynns from the IHSAA has replaced Mary Struckhoff.
Yes, found the announcement. She won't take the position until June.

JRutledge Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 806954)
I believe Theresia Wynns from the IHSAA has replaced Mary Struckhoff.
Wow, I didn't see that coming. She was really nice when she came to our state's Official's Conference and I liked her information sharing. I have a feeling she will be a little more open than Mary.

Peace

Nevadaref Wed Dec 21, 2011 07:26pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 806954)
I believe Theresia Wynns from the IHSAA has replaced Mary Struckhoff.
Who is she? What are her officiating qualifications? What is her experience writing rules?

BktBallRef Wed Dec 21, 2011 07:30pm
Indiana’s Theresia Wynns to Join NFHS Staff


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