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Ace_man Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:57am

Hand is part of the ball
 
Ok. I know as a general rule the hand is part of the ball. Are there any exceptions and can it ever get to excessive, like moves the rest of the body excessive.


What are your thoughs?

tref Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by Ace_man (Post 793045)
Ok. I know as a general rule the hand is part of the ball. Are there any exceptions and can it ever get to excessive, like moves the rest of the body excessive.


What are your thoughs?

According to 4-24-2 it is legal in every situation except on the pass.

Adam Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:09pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 793050)
According to 4-24-2 it is legal in every situation except on the pass.

As long as the contact is incidental to an attempt to play the ball.

Ace_man Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:14pm

lets say your shooting a layup or finger roll lay up and they hit the portion of the had that is not incontact with the ball?

Ace_man Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:19pm

or after the release they are still in contact with the hand?

Ace_man Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 793050)
According to 4-24-2 it is legal in every situation except on the pass.

What rule book are you quoting?

tref Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:26pm

I think it all depends on the severity of the contact & the previous calls in similar situations. As WE all know, mere contact does not constitute a foul.

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Originally Posted by Ace_man (Post 793062)
What rule book are you quoting?

Fed... the NCAA ruling is the same but spelled out a bit more clearly.

Adam Wed Oct 12, 2011 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by Ace_man (Post 793056)
or after the release they are still in contact with the hand?

If the initial contact isn't a foul, lingering contact isn't likely to change that. If the contact turns into a hold, however....

JRutledge Wed Oct 12, 2011 01:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace_man (Post 793045)
Ok. I know as a general rule the hand is part of the ball. Are there any exceptions and can it ever get to excessive, like moves the rest of the body excessive.


What are your thoughs?

No the hand is not apart of the ball, the hand is apart of the arm or connected to the arm. ;)

But we are to not consider contact with the hand a foul when the ball is in contact with the ball in most situations.

Peace

Adam Wed Oct 12, 2011 01:37pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 793077)
No the hand is not apart of the ball, the hand is apart of the arm or connected to the arm. ;)

But we are to not consider contact with the hand a foul when the ball is in contact with the ball in most situations.

Peace

I just can't not ask.

How many balls do you normally play with?

dsqrddgd909 Wed Oct 12, 2011 02:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace_man (Post 793045)
Ok. I know as a general rule the hand is part of the ball. Are there any exceptions and can it ever get to excessive, like moves the rest of the body excessive.


What are your thoughs?

Was there a specific situation or play for which you wanted clarification?

JRutledge Wed Oct 12, 2011 03:57pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 793085)
I just can't not ask.

How many balls do you normally play with?

A lot. ;)

Peace

BillyMac Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:34pm

Softballs, Just Lobbing Softballs ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 793085)
How many balls do you normally play with?

What a bell did to Pavlov's dog, this statement does to Mark Padgett.

BillyMac Wed Oct 12, 2011 05:37pm

Who You Gonna Call ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace_man (Post 793045)
The hand is part of the ball.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6230/...473e048e_m.jpg

It is legal use of hands to accidentally hit the hand of the opponent when it is in contact with the ball. This includes holding, dribbling, passing, or even during a shot attempt. Striking a ball handler or a shooter on that player's hand that is incidental to an attempt to play the ball is not a foul, no matter how loud it sounds or how much it hurts.


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